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21 years 11 months ago #3847
by jacques
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<BLOCKQUOTE id=quote><font size=2 face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id=quote>quote:<hr height=1 noshade id=quote> on average supernova explosions destroy as many old metals as they create new metals<hr height=1 noshade id=quote></BLOCKQUOTE id=quote></font id=quote><font face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" size=2 id=quote>
I never heard of that...
It would take as much energy to break down the metal forged during the life of the star, as the energy produced by the creation of it.
The energy produced during the life of the star is dissipated in space by radiations. During the explosion of a supernova heavier metal than iron are produced and some elements are broken down. The energy come from the collapse of the star. Is this energy biger than the energy produced during all the life of the star?
Not every star end in a supernova. A star like the sun will puff is outer layer at the end of is life dissipating the metal produced.
I think this explaination is has an energy deficit.
I never heard of that...
It would take as much energy to break down the metal forged during the life of the star, as the energy produced by the creation of it.
The energy produced during the life of the star is dissipated in space by radiations. During the explosion of a supernova heavier metal than iron are produced and some elements are broken down. The energy come from the collapse of the star. Is this energy biger than the energy produced during all the life of the star?
Not every star end in a supernova. A star like the sun will puff is outer layer at the end of is life dissipating the metal produced.
I think this explaination is has an energy deficit.
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21 years 10 months ago #3936
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Let me try to develop more my intuition:
This site give an overview of the life of a star:
[url] www.astronomytoday.com/cosmology/evol.html [/url]
This model of stellar evolution is the standard one teached in university. It's base on years of observations.
Basicaly their is two case:
Sun size star: Contract from a cloud. Gravity create at the core a pression and a temperature that start fusion of H to He. The star go in the main sequence for bilion of years. The mass of the star determine the time spent in the main sequence. The more massive star burn faster. During this time the force of gravity is stopped by the radiation: the star keep the same~ size.
When all H is converted to He The core continue to collapse and high enough presure and temperature to start to fuse He. The outer layer is inflated by the rebound of this collapse and by the new reaction. The star become a red giant. The core will continue to collapse to fuse other element until it's all carbon for sun size star. The core will start to cool down becoming a white draft .
Second case a star of 10 solar mass.
Follow the same evolution but go further in the fusion up to the iron.
Iron can not fuse and give energy. It's the most stable nucleus. So their's no energy to stop gravity. The core colapse to nuclear density, and the rebound of the infalling matter create heavier element than iron and the shock wave give us a supernova.
For simplicity let assume that the starting cloud is 100% H.
1- We start with 1 solar mass of H. And we end up to an expanding cloud of H, He .... plus a carbon core, plus energy.
2- 10 Sm of H -> an expanding cloud containing all kind of element and a neutron core and energy.
This kind of system will continue to enrich the space with metal.
Let examine how a supernova can break down iron. The energy release of the collapse can be used in two ways:
fuse heavier element than iron
or break iron nucleus to ligther elements.
This site give an overview of the life of a star:
[url] www.astronomytoday.com/cosmology/evol.html [/url]
This model of stellar evolution is the standard one teached in university. It's base on years of observations.
Basicaly their is two case:
Sun size star: Contract from a cloud. Gravity create at the core a pression and a temperature that start fusion of H to He. The star go in the main sequence for bilion of years. The mass of the star determine the time spent in the main sequence. The more massive star burn faster. During this time the force of gravity is stopped by the radiation: the star keep the same~ size.
When all H is converted to He The core continue to collapse and high enough presure and temperature to start to fuse He. The outer layer is inflated by the rebound of this collapse and by the new reaction. The star become a red giant. The core will continue to collapse to fuse other element until it's all carbon for sun size star. The core will start to cool down becoming a white draft .
Second case a star of 10 solar mass.
Follow the same evolution but go further in the fusion up to the iron.
Iron can not fuse and give energy. It's the most stable nucleus. So their's no energy to stop gravity. The core colapse to nuclear density, and the rebound of the infalling matter create heavier element than iron and the shock wave give us a supernova.
For simplicity let assume that the starting cloud is 100% H.
1- We start with 1 solar mass of H. And we end up to an expanding cloud of H, He .... plus a carbon core, plus energy.
2- 10 Sm of H -> an expanding cloud containing all kind of element and a neutron core and energy.
This kind of system will continue to enrich the space with metal.
Let examine how a supernova can break down iron. The energy release of the collapse can be used in two ways:
fuse heavier element than iron
or break iron nucleus to ligther elements.
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21 years 10 months ago #3986
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The model you describe seems to be a metal generator for sure. Both the BB & MM models are based on this more fundamental fusion system. So, why is it not as you say? There should be more metal in older areas of the universe. I don't think any of the current accounting of elements in the universe is anyway near accurate except for hydrogen being by far the most common.
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21 years 10 months ago #3957
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If galactic matter is kept in place not by the gravity only but with a considerable help from electrodynamic cohesion, then a cold corpse of a former star would tend to escape into intergalactic space and further into greater voids. That's because such dead matter loses the ability to electrically polarize its immediate surroundings. There are reasons to believe that there in those voids some great magnetic fields can exist. Now if that's the case, that dead matter must get accelerated by magnetic field coupling to its magnetic moment only to later on smash back into some matter accretion, getting "refreshed" in the collision till bare neutrons/protons+electrons. That would be the mechanism for universal matter recycling.
And also quite a lot of baryonic "dark matter" is a self-evident by-product of such a mechanism.
And also quite a lot of baryonic "dark matter" is a self-evident by-product of such a mechanism.
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21 years 10 months ago #4364
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If gravity is not the force that maintains a galaxy disk and all other large structures in the in the universe then I guess the mass can drift from the gravity field. It seems a bit fictious to have a nongravity force overcome gravity in the long run. But, given all the other fiction being debated what's a little more.
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21 years 10 months ago #3962
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Jim,
Look here -
<img src=" www.electric-cosmos.org/peratt1.gif " border=0>
It's a numerical simulation for pure electrodynamic mechanism.
Then you could read through these two sites:
public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/universe.html
www.electric-cosmos.org/index.htm
Look here -
<img src=" www.electric-cosmos.org/peratt1.gif " border=0>
It's a numerical simulation for pure electrodynamic mechanism.
Then you could read through these two sites:
public.lanl.gov/alp/plasma/universe.html
www.electric-cosmos.org/index.htm
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