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Gravitons and Planetary Heating
21 years 9 months ago #4560
by Mac
Replied by Mac on topic Reply from Dan McCoin
Tom,
You seem right. I had not heard of the alternative explanations for the distance problem. But it seems iron clad that if the same affect is not present in ALL craft then the presumption by NASA was grossly short sighted and I shouldn't have jumped so quickly to say AHH HAA.
I'll note that disclaimer on my site.
Thanks.
Mac
You seem right. I had not heard of the alternative explanations for the distance problem. But it seems iron clad that if the same affect is not present in ALL craft then the presumption by NASA was grossly short sighted and I shouldn't have jumped so quickly to say AHH HAA.
I'll note that disclaimer on my site.
Thanks.
Mac
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21 years 9 months ago #4464
by rush
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The inner structure of spheres needs to be reinvented because gravity will not allow a structure anything like current being currently designed. There is no way gravity can allow a dense core to exist in any star or planet. The mass is centered at the geometric center of a sphere but gravity is not centered there. As a result the internal structure is totally different than what you have been taught.
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Are you sure about it? Can you elaborate it or tell me where I can read about it? There are PLENTIES of Geophysical books that show a complete internal structure...
The inner structure of spheres needs to be reinvented because gravity will not allow a structure anything like current being currently designed. There is no way gravity can allow a dense core to exist in any star or planet. The mass is centered at the geometric center of a sphere but gravity is not centered there. As a result the internal structure is totally different than what you have been taught.
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Are you sure about it? Can you elaborate it or tell me where I can read about it? There are PLENTIES of Geophysical books that show a complete internal structure...
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21 years 9 months ago #4493
by Jim
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This problem with the internal structure of spheres is unknown at this time as is any new idea is before it is established. So, you will have no luck looking into the current books on this matter, but maybe 50 years from now it will be in the books. Be patient is all I can tell you. After all it took that long to get seafloor spreading accepted.
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21 years 8 months ago #4941
by MarkVitrone
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Suggesting a mechanism for EPT. Perhaps gravity absorption allows for nuclear fusion at the core of planets explaining the high amounts of iron. As light elements are expended, expansion occurs until the mass of the planet contains the expansion lowering the temperature due to pressure increase. As fusion runs down its fuel supply a cooling occurs causing the planet to collapse as the weight of the mass falls inward where the temperature zone used to be. The resulting inward acceleration then causes a rapid heating coupled with the initial fracture that occured when the planet fell inward. The result is a tremendous release of energy through mantle and crust vents and ejection of the planets matter into space. The fractured remains would resemble asteroids, comets resemble the high velocity ejected material and liquid oceans would vaporize and be carried off into space. - MV
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21 years 7 months ago #5598
by ozman
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As fusion runs down its fuel supply a cooling occurs causing the planet to collapse as the weight of the mass falls inward where the temperature zone used to be. The resulting inward acceleration then causes a rapid heating coupled with the initial fracture that occured when the planet fell inward. The result is a tremendous release of energy through mantle and crust vents and ejection of the planets matter into space. The fractured remains would resemble asteroids, comets resemble the high velocity ejected material and liquid oceans would vaporize and be carried off into space. - MV
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The model you describe has a couple of problems:
(1) the center of the core has the least gravitational field of the entire planetary space and thus would not form a fissionable matrix at the center and, more importantly to your statement, "The resulting inward acceleration", such acceleration is toward the greatest gravitational field which is at some spherical layer, not at the center of the core. This is both intuitive and demonstrable. The greatest concentration or accretion of fissile material would be at a layer depth further from the center so the energy would be conducted both toward the surface and toward the center. The presumed elements of the core, usually considered to be mostly iron, are fair modifiers for nuclear reactions, meaning they act to retard the reaction. Other probable core elements such as sodium, carbon, and other common elements absorb the energy/energetic particles and disperse the heat energy through conduction.
(2)"As fusion runs down its fuel supply a cooling occurs". In order for a sustained fission reaction to occur as you describe, the reactor would almost certainly be a breeder, making more fuel as the reaction sustains itself. If that continuously new fuel supply migrates through the fissile body towards the center, it will congregate and "boil" itself back to the fissile mass rather than explode. Critical mass does not necessarily mean explosion, it simply means that the mass is emitting more energy than the mass by itself can contain. At a certain temperature-pressure relationship, the atoms "boil off". If the reaction rate is greater than the physical structure can contain, the structure explodes. If you raise the temperature of water in an open vessel, it explodes at a rate that sustains the body below violent explosion, i.e., it boils. If you attempt to boil the water in a closed vessel, the pressure increase defeats the boiling until the vessel can no longer contain that pressure, but the vessel still radiates thermal energy even before the vessel fails.
But we're not talking about water, we're talking about heavy elements in a high pressure, high temperature setting. These elements begin to emit high energy particles/energy (I don't care to debate "duality" here). If that fisson reaction is real, then we should be able to detect those emissions. I disagree with all the claims related to experimental methods to date to detect neutrinos, the detectors used will give the predicted results even without neutrinos impinging on them.
What we "see" is excess heat. I agree that fission is a possible source of this excess heat, but how that relates to EPH is not explained by your statement.
I feel an equally plausible explanation for EPH is that the reaction is generating some amount of antimatter and that is somehow concentrating at the center of the core in a natural magnetic "bottle"--until the bottle fails. Obviously, I have no way to substantiate this purely intuitive idea, since antimatter is still a purely theoretical concept, Cern's assertions not withstanding.
I would like very much for someone to tell me I'm wrong, if they also tell me why.
Ozman
As fusion runs down its fuel supply a cooling occurs causing the planet to collapse as the weight of the mass falls inward where the temperature zone used to be. The resulting inward acceleration then causes a rapid heating coupled with the initial fracture that occured when the planet fell inward. The result is a tremendous release of energy through mantle and crust vents and ejection of the planets matter into space. The fractured remains would resemble asteroids, comets resemble the high velocity ejected material and liquid oceans would vaporize and be carried off into space. - MV
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The model you describe has a couple of problems:
(1) the center of the core has the least gravitational field of the entire planetary space and thus would not form a fissionable matrix at the center and, more importantly to your statement, "The resulting inward acceleration", such acceleration is toward the greatest gravitational field which is at some spherical layer, not at the center of the core. This is both intuitive and demonstrable. The greatest concentration or accretion of fissile material would be at a layer depth further from the center so the energy would be conducted both toward the surface and toward the center. The presumed elements of the core, usually considered to be mostly iron, are fair modifiers for nuclear reactions, meaning they act to retard the reaction. Other probable core elements such as sodium, carbon, and other common elements absorb the energy/energetic particles and disperse the heat energy through conduction.
(2)"As fusion runs down its fuel supply a cooling occurs". In order for a sustained fission reaction to occur as you describe, the reactor would almost certainly be a breeder, making more fuel as the reaction sustains itself. If that continuously new fuel supply migrates through the fissile body towards the center, it will congregate and "boil" itself back to the fissile mass rather than explode. Critical mass does not necessarily mean explosion, it simply means that the mass is emitting more energy than the mass by itself can contain. At a certain temperature-pressure relationship, the atoms "boil off". If the reaction rate is greater than the physical structure can contain, the structure explodes. If you raise the temperature of water in an open vessel, it explodes at a rate that sustains the body below violent explosion, i.e., it boils. If you attempt to boil the water in a closed vessel, the pressure increase defeats the boiling until the vessel can no longer contain that pressure, but the vessel still radiates thermal energy even before the vessel fails.
But we're not talking about water, we're talking about heavy elements in a high pressure, high temperature setting. These elements begin to emit high energy particles/energy (I don't care to debate "duality" here). If that fisson reaction is real, then we should be able to detect those emissions. I disagree with all the claims related to experimental methods to date to detect neutrinos, the detectors used will give the predicted results even without neutrinos impinging on them.
What we "see" is excess heat. I agree that fission is a possible source of this excess heat, but how that relates to EPH is not explained by your statement.
I feel an equally plausible explanation for EPH is that the reaction is generating some amount of antimatter and that is somehow concentrating at the center of the core in a natural magnetic "bottle"--until the bottle fails. Obviously, I have no way to substantiate this purely intuitive idea, since antimatter is still a purely theoretical concept, Cern's assertions not withstanding.
I would like very much for someone to tell me I'm wrong, if they also tell me why.
Ozman
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21 years 7 months ago #5351
by Jim
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I have not yet digested all of your post but the fusion model is bogus in my opinion. Why I have this view is that I believe nature is more intelligent than to do stupid stuff that fusion does.
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