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18 years 9 months ago #14705
by Peter Nielsen
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Local landforms are good, mostly small scale illustrations of that Catastrophist principle of my last and earlier posts. A coastal example:
Smallest estuarine fluvial gullies cross beaches. Near the shoreline, these have been configured since the last tide by flows from springs, creeks/streams. Higher up the beach, such streams have been gullied since the last rain storm. Gullies through the sand dunes and estuarine sand bars were re-configured by the last flood. So too many creek and main river gullies further upstream . . . but higher up their banks, these gullies show traces of earlier, greater re-configurations nested within even greater re-configurations going way back to ancient super huge floods. Coastal landforms have also been shaped in a similarly nested way evident at higher and higher elevations, by greater and greater re-configurations due to greater and greater tidal waves, going way back to ancient super huge tidal waves, and so on.
My S1, S2 impact global re-configurations, defined at metaresearch.org/msgboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=691 , metaresearch.org/msgboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=692 ,
are simply largest scale illustrations of such catastrophic planetary landform re-configurations.
Smallest estuarine fluvial gullies cross beaches. Near the shoreline, these have been configured since the last tide by flows from springs, creeks/streams. Higher up the beach, such streams have been gullied since the last rain storm. Gullies through the sand dunes and estuarine sand bars were re-configured by the last flood. So too many creek and main river gullies further upstream . . . but higher up their banks, these gullies show traces of earlier, greater re-configurations nested within even greater re-configurations going way back to ancient super huge floods. Coastal landforms have also been shaped in a similarly nested way evident at higher and higher elevations, by greater and greater re-configurations due to greater and greater tidal waves, going way back to ancient super huge tidal waves, and so on.
My S1, S2 impact global re-configurations, defined at metaresearch.org/msgboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=691 , metaresearch.org/msgboard/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=692 ,
are simply largest scale illustrations of such catastrophic planetary landform re-configurations.
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18 years 9 months ago #14709
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MV, Thanksfor the info you posted about different rock types and how they react under changes in temperature. It is clear the amount of SiO2 effects the melting temperature of rocks. It is clear boiling and melting are not the same but two very different phase changes. I don't want to add to the confusion so these details need to be high lighted. Chemical composition and pressure are also very different. I will not argue with you about how pressure effects the melting point of rocks because I don't have data-do you have data or are you repeating what you learned somewhere? It would be great if data existed on this detail-I would love to see some proof one way or the other. Anyway, the composition of the rocks seems to have quite a dramatic effect on events.
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18 years 9 months ago #14711
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Jim, everything all of us puts on here are things we have learned elsewhere. If you are interested in this subject more. Physical Chemistry is a great course to take which will provide the theory behind this phenomena. I said theory because, especially in this topic, there are literally volumes of data documenting this topic. Why, because it is very testable. It is not too difficult to set up a closed-system where you can subject a material to increased pressure while measuring its temperature at melting. A great test material is the metal Bismuth (the key ingredient in Pepto Bismol, and usually the melting plate in manual fire-sprinklers). Bismuth melts at 183 degrees F. Notice that this is lower than the boiling point of water. So you can use hot water flowing across the material (with a thermometer in it). Inside the pressure vessel raise the pressure to say 2 atm. The melting point increases to ~190 degrees F. So pressure is directly proportional to the melting point of a solid.
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18 years 9 months ago #17312
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Jim and Mark,
It seems to me Jim is alluding to CD-theoretical irregularities which no longer matter, now that CDC has transformed them into information . . .
LB,
You wrote that "The most recent [impact event] was only 3.2 million (with an "m") years ago ..." Tell me more. My THESHI, "This ebook's super huge terrestrial impact (THESHI)"is not dated, but I have most often thought it was the PTB event, another thing, after CDC which geologists have generally not accepted. They generally think it would have been earlier than PTB.
A key reason for my PTB choice is that my Theshi analysis explains contemporary seafloor spread being most energetic around South America and so on, indicating a Theshi hangover. So the earlier we make Theshi, the more energetic it has to be. Also, early tetrapods survived PTB, hence their dominance today. Could they have survived my Theshi?
It seems to me Jim is alluding to CD-theoretical irregularities which no longer matter, now that CDC has transformed them into information . . .
LB,
You wrote that "The most recent [impact event] was only 3.2 million (with an "m") years ago ..." Tell me more. My THESHI, "This ebook's super huge terrestrial impact (THESHI)"is not dated, but I have most often thought it was the PTB event, another thing, after CDC which geologists have generally not accepted. They generally think it would have been earlier than PTB.
A key reason for my PTB choice is that my Theshi analysis explains contemporary seafloor spread being most energetic around South America and so on, indicating a Theshi hangover. So the earlier we make Theshi, the more energetic it has to be. Also, early tetrapods survived PTB, hence their dominance today. Could they have survived my Theshi?
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18 years 9 months ago #17175
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Peter,
Very short version -
Astromomers claim it is possible to tell if a given comet is making its first approach to Sol, or if it has been this way before. If you plot the orbits of first-approach-comets backwards in time you find that they all have orbital periods of approximately 3.2 my. And you find that these orbits all cross in about the same place within the inner solar system, and that place is between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.
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If something popped between Mars and Jupiter 3.2 mya, we would expect to see bits and pieces of it comming back from deep space with 3.2 my orbits ...
We would also expect to see evidence of a blast wave moving through the solar system about 3.2 mya. Things like recent fairly large craters, and dark dust deposits on one side only of airless, slowly rotating moons ...
Regards,
LB
Very short version -
Astromomers claim it is possible to tell if a given comet is making its first approach to Sol, or if it has been this way before. If you plot the orbits of first-approach-comets backwards in time you find that they all have orbital periods of approximately 3.2 my. And you find that these orbits all cross in about the same place within the inner solar system, and that place is between the orbits of Mars and Jupiter.
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If something popped between Mars and Jupiter 3.2 mya, we would expect to see bits and pieces of it comming back from deep space with 3.2 my orbits ...
We would also expect to see evidence of a blast wave moving through the solar system about 3.2 mya. Things like recent fairly large craters, and dark dust deposits on one side only of airless, slowly rotating moons ...
Regards,
LB
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18 years 9 months ago #17315
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Gosh that was fast! Thanks LB. Yes, I recall reading about that before in one or two of the eph threads. I will give this eph event more thought, because 3.2 mya fits perfectly into the 1-10 mya time frame of much geological theory.
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