Hoaglands latest discoveries....??

Hoagland is enthusiastic (a crime, I myself am guilty of <img src=icon_smile_big.gif border=0 align=middle>

I guess the basic problem is this. Hoagland and to some extent Tom Van Flandern (going by his book Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets) are happy to entertain the most basic premise of the Ancient Astronaut theory, or rather, Aliens from another world in the earths ancient past visited terra and had an effect on the local population.

Where they came from is therefore the big question. After a little bit of research you are left floundering, disregarding the 12th planet (Sitchin style) as 'impossible' and also disregarding deep space travelling aliens (apparently these ancient aliens looked liked us, so they must be 'local' to some extent) you are left with only, at best, a few possibilities.

1. Mars
2. Venus (maybe, eh? perhaps?)
3. Earth (heaven forbid)

Mars is nice and easy to look at, so its the favourite. But Mars poses problems. Depending on who your read, Mars never had an atmosphere or Mars lost its atmosphere billions of years ago or the possibility that Mars lost its atmosphere (a mere) 3.2million years ago.

3.2 million years is a nice date, as it leaves ample time for a naturally occurring race of beings to evolve, build cities and clear-off, drop dead or whatever.

But added to that Mars isn't a nice quiet place, dust storms, running water, ice flows, volcanic activity, if the last living thing was there 3.2million years, I'd be surprised to see anything of artificiality.

Here's a picture of Eridu one of the oldest cities on earth.
www.oi.uchicago.edu/OI/IS/SANDERS/PHOTOS...O/ERIDU/eridu16.html
I challenge people to identify that from space as artificial!
In which case, what chance do we have of spotting a 3.2million year old structure on Mars?

Having said that, some of the pictures presented are SO enigmatic, its hard not to believe...

Take care everyone,

Will


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If the structures are buried under tons of earth, as the Eridu site seems to be, then, little chance. If not, then hey presto, we have the "face" and the "pyramids". They still look somewhat like the fractured remains of a decayed peninsula to me (stepping down the magnification), but I'm still clinging onto my fence for the time being.

If the stuff at Cydonia is artificial, it's anyone's guess who put it there - my money's on Anthroposaurus Sapiens - if that thing's a face, it ain't human!

Not wanting to go off-topic too much. (And not wishing to sound to much like Hoagland) Mithraic tradition (Zathustra, zoroaster, whatever) had an anomolous feature. Outside of egyptian culture (I'm talking about the near east, not the americas) Half human, half animal deities were fairly rare. However, Mithraic interpretation of the devil was a half-man, half-lion feature. Interestingly, while we don't know much about their traditions, from their art and sculpture it becomes apparent they were interested in Astronomy.

www.well.com/user/davidu/eighthgate.html

Its also worth noting that while buildings such as Eridu were built in a familiar manner, the constructions at Baalbek and other megalithic sites have withstood the test of time much better. I guess as another poster has already mentioned with significantly less gravity the 'beings' might evolve larger and find it easier to manipulate far greater structures.

Having said that we have built completely artificial objects, made from metal, almost a half a mile long. Oil tankers...

/Will



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If the structures are buried under tons of earth, as the Eridu site seems to be, then, little chance. If not, then hey presto, we have the "face" and the "pyramids". They still look somewhat like the fractured remains of a decayed peninsula to me (stepping down the magnification), but I'm still clinging onto my fence for the time being.

If the stuff at Cydonia is artificial, it's anyone's guess who put it there - my money's on Anthroposaurus Sapiens - if that thing's a face, it ain't human!



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Actually, the oil tanker thing is interesting; presumably the Martians of yore built similar vessels, which perhaps sank now and then. I will look beyond the dried up shoreline bordering Cydonia with renewed interest!

Another problem I have with the whole face thing is the ridiculous wealth of potential theories, inherrant in our own culture, for tacking on to this feature. I think I take a sort of rear-middle ground. There is something interesting on Mars, maybe artificial, but I'm not prepared to leap in with a whole bunch of ready formulated theories about ancient astronauts, Egyptian links and especially not anthropic human-centred arguments as to origin. We, as a species, still nurture a small nebulous belief that we are the centre of the universe, none of the theories yet widely proposed seem to want to break with this tendency. One of the first recognitions a baby achieves (at about six months) is that of a face's basic structure. Show it a smiley and it gets really excited. I think we found our smiley at Cydonia and have locked on with a vengence. Maybe it is a face, but my money's still on it being non-human, rather than a hybrid stylised lion/human. But as I always say, that's just my own little opinion....

Absolutely, i vaguely remember reading that the human brain when presented with an alien terrain will attempt to ratify its surrounding. (like when your in a cave) the human brain will derive a face from two small depressions and a line. We 'see' faces in everything, clouds, trees, etc, etc. I guess however, unless we go to Mars or 'whoever' came from Mars materialises real soon, speculation is all we have.

All the best,

Will



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Actually, the oil tanker thing is interesting; presumably the Martians of yore built similar vessels, which perhaps sank now and then. I will look beyond the dried up shoreline bordering Cydonia with renewed interest!

Another problem I have with the whole face thing is the ridiculous wealth of potential theories, inherrant in our own culture, for tacking on to this feature. I think I take a sort of rear-middle ground. There is something interesting on Mars, maybe artificial, but I'm not prepared to leap in with a whole bunch of ready formulated theories about ancient astronauts, Egyptian links and especially not anthropic human-centred arguments as to origin. We, as a species, still nurture a small nebulous belief that we are the centre of the universe, none of the theories yet widely proposed seem to want to break with this tendency. One of the first recognitions a baby achieves (at about six months) is that of a face's basic structure. Show it a smiley and it gets really excited. I think we found our smiley at Cydonia and have locked on with a vengence. Maybe it is a face, but my money's still on it being non-human, rather than a hybrid stylised lion/human. But as I always say, that's just my own little opinion....


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You may want to check the following forum where a lot of interesting material is being posted related to Mars anomalies and possible artificial structures.

www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb...forum&f=44&submit=Go

see this one that I posted

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www.anomalies.net/cgi-bin/bbs/ultimatebb...pic&f=44&t=000006&p=

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