New image of the Cydonia Face 4-13-06

Regarding Baalbek, Lebanon I'm pretty certain that it has turned up in some of Graham Hancocks work but I do have a direct reference in one of Z. Sitchens books: The Earth Chronicals Expeditions plates 49, 50 51 & 52.... There are several mentions of it in his Earth Chronical series of books.

Regarding the crack... I do not see any indications of direct meteor hits in this or for that matter on the face itself... is there supposed to be meteor damage and if so can someone point me to a paper describing the hits and the reasons why the craters don't look like craters? Is there comparison images of other meteor craters that now look like the surfaces on the face and this crack?

Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!

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www.msss.com/moc_gallery/e13_e18/images/E15/E1501347.html

I'm going to take a stab at this though I could be wrong. Here is the link to E1501347, which is the best raw data for the damaged east half of the Face. My guess is that the meteor struck on the side of the jaw on the lower right side as we look at it. If indeed the Face is an alloy of some kind, it would not react the way a normal planet surface or regolith (dirt cover) might. Rather than a larger crater, perhaps the stronger resiliance and other properties of the metal, caused a "meltdown" and cracking of the aluminium (if it is) hull, rather than a typical crater. But I certainly would defer to anyone who can give a better description of what might have happened in a meteor event.

Another factor to consider would be that due to the thin Martian atmosphere, very small meteors can strike the surface without burning up as they would in the Earth's atmosphere. This seems to be evident in the small dings and dents found on the less damaged west side of the face.

Neil

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by starjim</i>
<br />I do not see any indications of direct meteor hits in this or for that matter on the face itself... is there supposed to be meteor damage and if so can someone point me to a paper describing the hits and the reasons why the craters don't look like craters?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There is one complete circular crater about 100 meters in diameter. See Figure 10 at metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydonia/...Face/Preliminary.asp See original full image at www.msss.com/mars_images/moc/extended_may2001/face/index.html
-|Tom|-

I am short on time, but here is a link describing Baalbek and several ideas about its age in Lebannon. Italians are thrifty by nature and liked to reuse building materials. It is plausible that the assertations in this document are feasible and add to the bank of material suggesting prehistory technical advances that could have been lost.

Here is the link:
www.red-ice.net/specialreports/2006/02feb/baalbek.html


Mark Vitrone

Tom thanks for the link and reference to figure 10. I think I can pick out where on the face this actually appears guided by the crack location on the context image. I would suggest that a large context image with arrows pointing to the exact locations of each of the figures would be helpful.

It is an assertion or conclusion that the face must be composed of some metallic material either in part or in full for it to react to a meteor hit in the manner described. I would offer that it would be extremely supportive of that conclusion to present at least one other instance of a known similar event. What I mean is we have images from many moons, planets and asteroids all showing major impacts. Many Asteroids in particular are composed of mostly metal. There must be some photographic evidence available to support the molten 'crater' on the face? Just this Sunday I was in the Smithsonian in DC looking at meteors and examples of molten rocks and could agree that rock would look like the area of the face after application of intense heat. But the examples I saw didn't afford me the ability to project the result of the heat to the area of impact in the same manner as the object itself.

As an example of the possiblitity it might not have been a meteor impact there could have been other forces at work, if artificiality is accepted as the premise for the face then perhaps an internal melt down either by machinery (a nuclear core melt down for example) or even the misfortune of placing the face over an area where a magma chamber developed? I do note that you mention the striations don't follow the pattern of an impact...

One further thought regarding impact, is this the only impact on the face, was the face lucky enough to avoid multiple impacts?



Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!

Here is the crop of the Feline "mane" area from the paper Tom referenced - titled “Preliminary analysis of 2001 April 8 Cydonia Face image” by Tom Van Flandern, Metaresearch.



In the paper Tom suggest that the zigzag mane feature on the Feline side was caused by the “melt” of a meteor hit on the eastern side forming a flow-like pattern with some pooling.

I see no evidence of a crater here and apparently the formation caused by the “melt” just happen to adhere to the zigzag shape of a mane feature exactly where a mane should be.

Here is Tom’s comparison of the two “different” eye features seen on the Face. On the left is his blurry image of the round “iris” of the Humanoid side of the Face (note the overall almond shape of the eye socket is cropped out).

On the right is the eye feature seen on the Feline side. Note that while the round eyeball, rest within an almond shape eye feature on the Humanoid side (much like a human eye), the Feline “iris” is half-moon shaped, within a “squinting” rectangular eye socket (much like the feline eye features seen in Mesoamerican art). He also goes on to say that these two opposing eye designs is evidence to support his theory that the Face is symmetrical.



In my view, which is supported by geomorphologist William Saunders - there has been no collapsing of the eastern side of the Face. The lines, cracks and zigzag features of the structure are intentional. The Feline side of the Face has a compartmentalized design - giving the appearance of a jade mask, much like the one posted earlier (below).



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