My pareidolia knows no bounds.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
<br />The rock blasting was done by man.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Hmmm, that's an interesting take on pareidolia (modern/ressler). I disagree ever so slightly, though. I think if you review all five definitions, we've been talking about "man-made" in the sense that it was made by man to be that which we perceive.

So in this case, they would have had to be purposefully blasting the rock into faces for it not to qualify. Sort of like Mt Rushmore. Since it happened by accident, I would think these still qualify as pareidolia, under all definitions.


rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
<br />The rock blasting was done by man.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Hmmm, that's an interesting take on pareidolia (modern/ressler). I disagree ever so slightly, though. I think if you review all five definitions, we've been talking about "man-made" in the sense that it was made by man to be that which we perceive.

So in this case, they would have had to be purposefully blasting the rock into faces for it not to qualify. Sort of like Mt Rushmore. Since it happened by accident, I would think these still qualify as pareidolia, under all definitions.


rd
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i am a purist when it comes to pareidolia. (Ressler). As you object to alarm clock faces- i see any man made intervention as detracting from natural pareidolia. Man made explosives create un natural patterns. One could even say the unconscious mind could alter the pattern. People say when a book is burned it might not be the end of the writing in it. "Art is a covenant between God and man and the less to do with man the better." (Andre Gide). The same goes for pareidolia.(Ressler).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
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i am a purist when it comes to pareidolia. (Ressler). As you object to alarm clock faces- i see any man made intervention as detracting from natural pareidolia. Man made explosives create un natural patterns. One could even say the unconscious mind could alter the pattern. People say when a book is burned it might not be the end of the writing in it. "Art is a covenant between God and man and the less to do with man the better." (Andre Gide). The same goes for pareidolia.(Ressler).
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">OK, that makes sense. I think we should bring your definition forward and add a sentence to this effect. Here it is, what do think should be added? Maybe a sentence after <b>"or any non-homogeneous area."</b>

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<b>Reference: </b>
Fred Ressler: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pareidolia

<b>Definition:</b>

<b>Pareidolia--</b>

Pareidolia is the phenomena of seeing faces/figures/forms in patterns; as opposed to where one normally sees faces/figures/forms (on animals including people/landscapes etc.)

Pareidolia is seeing what appears to the individual to be a representation of a face, figure, or form in the clouds, wood grain, marble, smoke, shadows, or any non-homogeneous area. It can also be an auditory phenomenon as in hearing white noise or a record played backward that sounds to the individual like words or a melody that isn't actually there.

Name: Ressler


rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
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i am a purist when it comes to pareidolia. (Ressler). As you object to alarm clock faces- i see any man made intervention as detracting from natural pareidolia. Man made explosives create un natural patterns. One could even say the unconscious mind could alter the pattern. People say when a book is burned it might not be the end of the writing in it. "Art is a covenant between God and man and the less to do with man the better." (Andre Gide). The same goes for pareidolia.(Ressler).
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">OK, that makes sense. I think we should bring your definition forward and add a sentence to this effect. Here it is, what do think should be added? Maybe a sentence after <b>"or any non-homogeneous area."</b>

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<b>Reference: </b>
Fred Ressler: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=pareidolia

<b>Definition:</b>

<b>Pareidolia--</b>

Pareidolia is the phenomena of seeing faces and figures in patterns; as opposed to where one normally sees faces and figures (on animals including people and forms in landscape.)
It is seeing what appears to the individual to be a representation seen in the clouds, wood grain, marble, smoke, shadows, fire or any non-homogeneous everyday material where the material is made by nature without man's intervention.

Name: Ressler

(i deleted the sound part as i call sounds paraudolia.)
rd
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Great Fred, thanks. That's a key piece of information. I've moved the "Summary" forward here, with the new words added:

<b>The Five Definitions of Pareidolia Summarized:</b>

<ul><li><b>Original</b>: Manifestation of mental disorder, causing partial hallucinations.</li>
<li><b>Modern</b>: Psychological phenomenon involving random stimuli in normal people being perceived as significant, a form of apopenia.</li>
<li><b>Ressler</b>: Phenomena of seeing faces/figures/forms in patterns occurring naturally [without man's intervention] all around us.</li>
<li><b>New</b>: A simple pattern recognition error in any system/organism/process/organization/concept/etc. capable of performing the function of pattern recognition. </li>
<li><b>Derosa</b>: The manifestation of a personal human trait causing temporary confusion between man-made and naturally occurring faces, forms, features, sounds, etc.</li></ul>

Note: Moved forward from Pg 41 of this topic, edited to include the parenthetic phrase in Def. 3, "Ressler".

rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />How many of these people read this entire topic on Pareidolia from beginning to end before you introduced them to your images? My guess is that these people you showed know little if anything about pareidolia also. <b> Rd</b>

Conversely, what I am describing here are anomalies and artifacts which are possibly alien in origin on the Martian surface. No problem....it's that simple.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Shall I take your answer to be: None.

rd
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Rich, like I said sometime back, I understand your need to embrace this stuff about pareidolia and I think you should keep it going for your own sake.

But from my perspective and many others, I will state once again the fact that there is NO PAREIDOLIA associated with evaluating the surface of Mars - NONE. And I will explain to you once again below why. However, from this point onward, should you choose to infer pareidolia in my posts, (in any of its forms and interpretations) I will only refer the inference to this finite explanation on this post page with all personal and professional respect so conveyed.

metaresearch.org/msgboard/post.asp?metho...IC_ID=873&FORUM_ID=7


As follows:

1. In any and all forms (as noted above) and/or any perceived episodes of pareidolia, the person experiencing the image or target data point is viewing a KNOWN SOURCE WITH KNOWN DATA PROPERTIES.

2. At this present time in our exploration of this planet WE DO NOT KNOW THE TARGET PROPERTIES OF THE ANOMALIES AND/OR ARTIFACTS and, as such, cannot be deemed a manifestation of the experiencer's imagination or point of view. While it is tempting to call this a pareidolic episode IT IS IN FACT ACTUALLY NOT THE CASE as the experiencer may very well be correct in their conclusive assumption. Thus, NOT A PAREIDOLIC EXPERIENCE....PERIOD. One can call it what one likes to but until the PROPERTIES of the target data point is KNOWN, it will remain just that - A SURFACE ANOMALY AWAITING FURTHER DATA FOR CONFIRMATION!

To exemplify, here are some fine examples of pareidolia:

Is this a cringing mans face with a wide open mouth? NO...IT'S A STUMP OF WOOD - known target data = pareidolic image!

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Here's a good one...again, is this a man's face? NO...IT'S A ROCK FORMATION THAT LOOKS THIS WAY - known target data = paredolic image

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And another...

Is this a real little pink man? NO OF COURSE NOT...IT'S A FLOWER! - known target data = pareidolic image

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And just one more bring home the point;

Is this a strange looking man with long metal nose? Absolutely not...IT'S A TAP! -known target data = pareidolic image.

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And where the rubber meets the road...

Is this a human statue sitting on the plateau taken by the rover Spirit? Possibly - unknown target data = MARS SURFACE ANOMALY!

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And so to drive home my point that no further discussion will be responded to in my postings until such time as the known data is acquired as frankly, I'm starting to develop one of those YAWN'S WHICH YOU AND SOME OTHERS ARE EXPERIENCING.

I will upload no further posts under your thread - "MY PAREIDOLIA KNOWS NO BOUNDS" and stand corrected for probably doing so in the first place.

Moreover, IT IS INCORRECT TO CONFUSE THE RESEARCHER, ENQUIRER OR LAYPERSON THAT UNKNOWN IMAGES AND DATA POINTS ON THE SURFACE OF MARS ARE THE RESULT OF THE PHENOMENON KNOWN AS PAREIDOLIA - PERIOD.

FURTHER, I FEEL IT IS SOMEWHAT UNSCIENTIFIC AND OTHERWISE IRRESPONSIBLE TO INFER TO ANYONE THAT THIS IS INDEED THE CASE FOR THE REASONS I HAVE OUTLINED ABOVE.

Rich, if you would like to discuss with me the phenomenon of pareidolia, I would be glad to but it will need to be discussed in the realm of Earth based known data points only. I could suggest this be done outside the WEBSITE of Martian Anomalies.

Thank you very much,
Respectfully.


Malcolm Scott