<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />1. As this is an open forum and points of view are interjected by any and all, I see we have essentially two interweaving topics which do appear to have been kept separate. My input in this topic is to try and bring back the reason why this topic is presumably being discussed in the first place.
2. The forum is Artificial Structures on Mars which implies an esoteric discussion as to the reality of possible life on this planet (unless of course we are referring here to the several lander's sent there over the past three decade as the only artificial structures currently observed which I am sure this is not the case).
3. In discussing the topic of Pareidolia (various) I presume we are discussing this in context to and in respect of artificiality on the surface and it's ramifications not the least of which is the matter of Pareidolia again (various). So in this discourse, I assume we should be able to address the issue artificiality (Forum) and the topic (Pareidolia) (various) in context with each other. It seems to me we are struggling with this connectivity.
4. How we see and what we see on the Martian surface is quite possibly one of the most profound spheres of human intellect since the conception of Man (pardon the pun) and, if in the course of those investigations, the apparent image of not one but several, relatively clear images of actual living or apparent living forms appear in the images on the surface, then by all means we should discuss both what we see as well as how we see in order to evaluate the observation with the accuracy which it deserves. Although I do not profess to speak for him, I think Zip Monster would reflect this point of view.
On a personal note, I have overcome the journey of the reality that life does in fact, reside on the planet and I can assure you of one thing, if you decide to make this journey as well, and are comfortable with the inevitable destination, you will begin to look more closely and more attentively to the many hi resolution images than ever before. Malcolm Scott
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Malcolm, I broke your message into four parts, so that I can address them separately.
1. Yes, you're correct, there have always been two interweaving topics here, in the sense that this topic on pareidolia (all) was interjected (by me, with TVF's permission) into the broader Forum of Artificial Structures on Mars. In a way, this subject was a story that was unfolding behind the scenes before I formalized it. I believe Tom gave me permission because he too saw that it was inevitable. Or to put it bluntly, we were arguing about it anyway. You should certainly feel free to re-assert the counter argument of Artificiality in any way you see fit.
2. Same answer as in 1. But in case you didn't know, I was in your camp for years prior to this. From the early 2000s, Neil and I worked together on projects showing artificial structures on Mars. It was only later in the game, roughly 2005 or so, that I started to come to the realization that all this stuff was most likely pareidolia (modern). It's a long story, but it started with the fact that rarely did me, Neil, or my wife ever describe the same thing when looking at one of Neil's "finds". There are other reasons, but I'll leave it at that for now.
3. I agree 100%. Please feel free to approach this in any way you see fit. But, remember that my outlook now is more of an objective outlook: let's analyze this in any way we can. I've found that by having an understanding of relative resolutions, a lot often gets cleared up, and logical conclusions can be drawn. In case you haven't already concluded it, I'm not a big fan of: <b>because I see it, it must be so.</b>
4. I have no problem with looking at the evidence, but as I've often stated pareidolia (ressler) can be quite elaborate. Neil didn't believe that, but I've proven it to myself on numerous occasions. I've been on this journey myself for many years, and in all honesty, I haven't seen one convincing image yet. But don't stop trying on my account. You could be right, and I could easily be wrong.
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