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Does it matter where the money comes from?
14 years 2 weeks ago #24025
by shando
Reply from Jim Shand was created by shando
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />Of course it does.
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I seem to recall an ancient proverb that goes something like this:
"He who pays the piper calls the tune"
Turns out, it's true!
<br />Of course it does.
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I seem to recall an ancient proverb that goes something like this:
"He who pays the piper calls the tune"
Turns out, it's true!
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14 years 1 week ago #24171
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
My favourite is, "where McCrimmon sits is head of the table.
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14 years 1 week ago #21054
by headrobot
Replied by headrobot on topic Reply from HYRUM JONES
Here's one example I've found interesting. Wall street came up with this idea of carbon credits, an idea that will give them a whole new method of making money off the public. One specific connection is the Rockefeller foundation. They fund several studies and expeditions with the specific goal to study climate change. Of course originally, it was global warming, but it's changed to climate change for some reason. They also fund TV education specials where climate change is studied.
There's several problems with this kind of funding:
<ul><li> The mere existence of the project gives the desired results credibility. Humans are so easily swayed if money is backing the project. It's the ultimate peer pressure. </li>
<li> When the purpose is to study a specific issue, the researchers better come up with some stuff that agrees with the funding purpose. Researchers will be very selective with which observations are considered and displayed. </li>
<li> The goal of the study is to convince the public that there's a problem and that wall street (politicians) have the solution. </li></ul>
I always have to laugh when they show a lonely polar bear hunting on floating ice chunks. Then we here the narrator say how sad it is that the polar bears habitat is melting away because of climate change. That kind of tactic is presented to our children and youth who accept it as the way to interpret the observation.
There's several problems with this kind of funding:
<ul><li> The mere existence of the project gives the desired results credibility. Humans are so easily swayed if money is backing the project. It's the ultimate peer pressure. </li>
<li> When the purpose is to study a specific issue, the researchers better come up with some stuff that agrees with the funding purpose. Researchers will be very selective with which observations are considered and displayed. </li>
<li> The goal of the study is to convince the public that there's a problem and that wall street (politicians) have the solution. </li></ul>
I always have to laugh when they show a lonely polar bear hunting on floating ice chunks. Then we here the narrator say how sad it is that the polar bears habitat is melting away because of climate change. That kind of tactic is presented to our children and youth who accept it as the way to interpret the observation.
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14 years 1 week ago #21055
by Jim
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Headrobot, There are a few politicians on the other side of these issues and want to end using public funds for stuff like this. And even Al Gore now knows ethanol was not a good idea. Moderation wins again.
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14 years 1 week ago #21056
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Another ancient quote, "this won't buy the bairn a new set of clothes." By that I mean, the thread has already gone off track from what I assume was Larry's intent in creating it. At the start we should be concentrating on how science fits into our society, how it fits into our global economic model, which is not necessarily the same thing. We also need to look at the changing nature of said relationship. The idustrialisation of science occurred at a time of huge scientific and industrial optimism. Almost immediately there was a scientific crisis. There was also a politico-economic crisis culminating in the Great War and the Spanish flu pandemic.
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14 years 1 week ago #24235
by Jim
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Sloat, Clearly the world didn't culminate with the Spanish flu-did it?
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