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18 years 11 months ago #12972
by PhilJ
Replied by PhilJ on topic Reply from Philip Janes
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The more I know, the less I know<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">More accurately: The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little is known. Every answer raises ten new questions which were inconceivable before. This, in the light of Occam's Raizor, suggests that the answers we have are probably wrong. If we were getting closer to the truth, each new answer would resolve ten old questions without raising any new ones.
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18 years 11 months ago #14450
by metagirl
Replied by metagirl on topic Reply from Kim Roberts
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is that so Metagirl<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Yes, because its my evaluation of the statement.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Who would be interested in so reducing it?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Well, I was, for one.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">A logician?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
How about Mathematicians or even Analysts.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">For what purpose? I do not see any useful or otherwise interesting purpose in doing that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Mankind has always been simplifying and finding better ways of doing things. However, reducing statements can lead to, 'not making sense'.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I responded fairly negatively in that last post . . . It struck me that Metagirl's "The more I know, the less I know" was pessimistic and did not correspond to my own experience. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
First, I did not take your posting as negative. Secondly, my signature or statement "The more I know, the less I know" is not pessimistic, its a statement of 'awe' (to me) which, came from doing research on a various topics or subjects and finding that the information available was vast.
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Metagirl
The more I know, the less I know
Yes, because its my evaluation of the statement.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Who would be interested in so reducing it?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Well, I was, for one.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">A logician?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
How about Mathematicians or even Analysts.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">For what purpose? I do not see any useful or otherwise interesting purpose in doing that.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Mankind has always been simplifying and finding better ways of doing things. However, reducing statements can lead to, 'not making sense'.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I responded fairly negatively in that last post . . . It struck me that Metagirl's "The more I know, the less I know" was pessimistic and did not correspond to my own experience. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
First, I did not take your posting as negative. Secondly, my signature or statement "The more I know, the less I know" is not pessimistic, its a statement of 'awe' (to me) which, came from doing research on a various topics or subjects and finding that the information available was vast.
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Metagirl
The more I know, the less I know
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18 years 11 months ago #12973
by metagirl
Replied by metagirl on topic Reply from Kim Roberts
PhilJ
[The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little is known]
Which is a very good definition of "The more I know, the less I know", I would alter this definition in this way, "The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little I do know", to be a more accurate definition. Thankyou PhilJ.
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Metagirl
The more I know, the less I know
[The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little is known]
Which is a very good definition of "The more I know, the less I know", I would alter this definition in this way, "The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little I do know", to be a more accurate definition. Thankyou PhilJ.
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Metagirl
The more I know, the less I know
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18 years 11 months ago #12974
by Peter Nielsen
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Thanks metagirl, for the explanation. Something important may be revealed by the difference between how you and I responded to those same statements: You may need to find a generous, talented researcher-mentor . . . It is important to get to the edge of scientific experience of physical reality as soon as possible.
Your experience of "doing research on various topics or subjects and finding that the information available was vast" reminds me of my own experience of the ScienceWorld when, in retrospect I can see that I was lost, 1972-96. After Return To Australia (RTA) from overseas, I found myself doing computer and other work for researchers who seemed to be dropping only technological crumbs . . . They had PhDs. I did not. But my early experience of science was quite different, relatively lucky in retrospect:
As explained in my ebook and elsewhere, as a child I had intuited that "Earth's rough polar congruencies [inscribed as Antarctica, Arctic Ocean continental boundaries] are extremely unlikely to be a random coincidence". So what amazing luck that I happened to go to a small university of 1,500 students at a key time, 1960-65, when Geology was making real progress with Seafloor Spread.
I could see this great scientific progress being explained by Continental Drift explanation inconsistent with my childhood intution, wrongly from my point of view, AND one of Continental Drift's principal world exponents was very accessible there at the University of Tasmania: personable local/Yale Geology Professor Sam Carey . . .
This good luck continued: My very first research work was the research half of my BSc (Hons) qualification, the other half being coursework. My supervisor, K. B. Fenton very generously pointed to a photo of an oddly shaped Geiger counter discharge pulse in a journal article. I found that no one had done any work on relating Geiger discharge pulse shape to triggering ionisation trajectories. So when I became the first person to do this, finding an interesting range of pulse shapes, especially for paraxial trajectories (along the tube), with good agreement between theory and experiment, I was off to a fortunate start as a scientist. I had experienced and described a new piece of physical reality!
I was again generously directed in my first employment for the Swedish paper industry at Stockholm's Royal Institute of Technology, 1966. My physicist boss, Lars O. Larsson had recognised the importance of measuring paper elasticity, impacting down onto the paper. I invented a device for measuring this and used it to show a strong correlation between paper elasticity and printability which nobody had seen before.
My next job took me from Sweden to proto-Silicon Valley, California two times and there was much other adventure and good fortune, two expeditions to Antarctica and so on, but my sense of the scientific frontier took a dive from 1972, until I again found something new, 1997, that nobody else had explained: my www.nodrift.com ebook thesis and subtheses.
Your experience of "doing research on various topics or subjects and finding that the information available was vast" reminds me of my own experience of the ScienceWorld when, in retrospect I can see that I was lost, 1972-96. After Return To Australia (RTA) from overseas, I found myself doing computer and other work for researchers who seemed to be dropping only technological crumbs . . . They had PhDs. I did not. But my early experience of science was quite different, relatively lucky in retrospect:
As explained in my ebook and elsewhere, as a child I had intuited that "Earth's rough polar congruencies [inscribed as Antarctica, Arctic Ocean continental boundaries] are extremely unlikely to be a random coincidence". So what amazing luck that I happened to go to a small university of 1,500 students at a key time, 1960-65, when Geology was making real progress with Seafloor Spread.
I could see this great scientific progress being explained by Continental Drift explanation inconsistent with my childhood intution, wrongly from my point of view, AND one of Continental Drift's principal world exponents was very accessible there at the University of Tasmania: personable local/Yale Geology Professor Sam Carey . . .
This good luck continued: My very first research work was the research half of my BSc (Hons) qualification, the other half being coursework. My supervisor, K. B. Fenton very generously pointed to a photo of an oddly shaped Geiger counter discharge pulse in a journal article. I found that no one had done any work on relating Geiger discharge pulse shape to triggering ionisation trajectories. So when I became the first person to do this, finding an interesting range of pulse shapes, especially for paraxial trajectories (along the tube), with good agreement between theory and experiment, I was off to a fortunate start as a scientist. I had experienced and described a new piece of physical reality!
I was again generously directed in my first employment for the Swedish paper industry at Stockholm's Royal Institute of Technology, 1966. My physicist boss, Lars O. Larsson had recognised the importance of measuring paper elasticity, impacting down onto the paper. I invented a device for measuring this and used it to show a strong correlation between paper elasticity and printability which nobody had seen before.
My next job took me from Sweden to proto-Silicon Valley, California two times and there was much other adventure and good fortune, two expeditions to Antarctica and so on, but my sense of the scientific frontier took a dive from 1972, until I again found something new, 1997, that nobody else had explained: my www.nodrift.com ebook thesis and subtheses.
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18 years 11 months ago #13008
by north
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by metagirl</i>
<br />PhilJ
[The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little is known]
Which is a very good definition of "The more I know, the less I know", I would alter this definition in this way, "The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little I do know", to be a more accurate definition. Thankyou PhilJ.
Regards
Metagirl
The more I know, the less I know
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the more i know and less i know statement, makes no sense. is this a Reasonable statement.
<br />PhilJ
[The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little is known]
Which is a very good definition of "The more I know, the less I know", I would alter this definition in this way, "The more I learn, the greater my awareness of how little I do know", to be a more accurate definition. Thankyou PhilJ.
Regards
Metagirl
The more I know, the less I know
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
the more i know and less i know statement, makes no sense. is this a Reasonable statement.
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18 years 9 months ago #14590
by Tommy
Replied by Tommy on topic Reply from Thomas Mandel
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">The COR forcast, based as it was on a flawed premiss, was obviously wrong. Not only did we not run out of EVERYthing, we didn't run out ANYthing.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Google "Peak Oil"
Tommy
Google "Peak Oil"
Tommy
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