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17 years 6 months ago #17881 by Jim
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And what about the "Z"? Is it in the same state of confusion? Does it or does it not decay into protons?

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17 years 6 months ago #19595 by Stoat
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Say we've got an alpha particle, the helium atom. The two protons and two neutrons are exchanging the positive W and the negative W. It's like they were juggling with hot potatoes. The protons change into neutrons and back again into protons. It's not a decay. The Z is neutral, so its part in this juggling can only be to balance things by transfering momentum.

How this movement affects the strong atomic force within the protons and neutrons is what CERN hopes to find out. The problem of the Z exchange will be in that it's extremely difficult to detect, being neutral.

What is of great interest, is this directly proportional, short range force holding the nucleus together.

Worry about the Z later, it will be a while before the CERN data can be looked at with regard to the Z.

(Edited) Scotty's comment about the "inertial dampers" being above spec, is true. An alpha particle (the ship) can take accelerations of at leat 2 billion c. The build quality is superb. Now, it could be argued that it needs to be built like a tank to hang about in the centre of suns. What about the strong atomic force exchange particle(s) though? Fifteen tonnes, ten to the minus twenty three seconds!!!!! That is wild stuff. Of course, it feeds into the big bang theory if we assume that no speeds greater than c are allowed. But then we get an exchange particle that can handle outrageous accelerations. Why should it be able to handle black hole kind of stuff? It didn't ever exist in the big bang. It came into being when the speed of light dropped suddenly to its present speed. Why has it such an incredible "build quality"?

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17 years 6 months ago #17883 by Stoat
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With the game [:)] Newton and Einstein have staff. As protons they each have a worker who walks round them at a great distance. Their electrons.

Now, let's look at Newon again. He has an ego (and a half [:D]) an id and a super id. We'll call these his quarks. Three points, a triangle, something flat.

His worker can communicate with him but has to walk round through this crowd of higgs scientists. The hall is the inertial frame, so we can have this little triangle of Newton's persona , planar to the electron for simplicity. Newton's worker can ask the higgs scientists to pass on rumours to Einstein's worker, or any other workers out there. They do but only at a very slow speed i.e. light speed.

When the two workers see each other, they report back to Newton and Einstein, and also change their respective orbits of their bosses. The persona triangles have to shift, as their charges are not quite symmetrical.

Not a universe I'd care to live in[:)] It's all ran on sheer snobbery[:D]

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17 years 6 months ago #17884 by Jim
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I have been under the impression energy was transformed into mass in these machines. This is not right then?

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17 years 6 months ago #19754 by Jim
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What about the 100 proton mass that is added to the particles during the pre-event buildup? If the particles are gaining energy that adds up to 50 times the original mass what happens to it? It was my impression it became mass but if not how is it accounted for?

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17 years 6 months ago #19884 by Stoat
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I don't know Jim. I don't believe that mass increases with velocity, only momentum.

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