NASA's suicide missions

Jeremy, Mac -

OK, I have no problem with the concept of converting linear momentum to angular momentum, or vice versa. And I'm more than willing to give anyone that thinks they can do it a chance. It's just that no one can demonstrate a device that does it. Not counting something like a rack-and-pinion gear.

Lots of people say they can do it. Lots of people say they HAVE done it. With the cooperation of this company or that university. Back in the 60s or the 80s. Or maybe even the 90s.

A few even claim to have passed the Pendulum Test. But when you try to find the results, you get something else: a box that vibrates and moves across the floor; or one that makes a scale read 500 newtons if you adjust the vibration to a particular frequency.

Seriously. If someone has a working reationless thruster it is big news.

BIG NEWS. Guaranteed Noble Prize. Even if you never graduated from Kindergarten and sign your name with an X

All you have to do is tie a rope to a tree branch and hang the gizmo a foot off the ground and turn it on. It would be nice if it stuck out at a 45 degree angle, but even 0.45 degrees would be big news.

Sure, the "can't be done" crowd would hoot an holler for a while. But then they'd go look at it again, and again, and start wondering. After a while even the most stubborn in that group would manage to convince themselves it was real.

<b>IF</b> it was actually sticking out at some non-zero angle and <b>staying there</b>. Till the battery runs down, of course.

Did I mention that this would be big news?

Regards,
LB

>The interesting correlation has now been asked about magnetisim. It >just happens that my view is that magnetisism, Townsend Brown and >inertial drives have a common underlying principle. I believe that >magnetisim is the aligning of orbits and at an atomic level creating >minature inertial drives.

Mac

Please read through experimental results for hydrogen isotopes and helium isotopes in magnetic fields on GOOGLE. Consider the neutron spin. Maybe a neutron has all of its energy "hidden" in spin.(Once a neutron leaves a protective nucleus and is exposed to graviton flux, it takes about 10 minutes to "decompose" into a proton and electron.)

It is related that magnetism is "instantaneous" and not limited to the velocity of light.

A magnet can be used to make more magnets. You can't get something from nothing.

I'll go back to my waste water chemistry......



Gregg Wilson

I agree it would be big news but you have to remember that scientists don't always accept experimental results. How is an amateur supposed to come up with thousands and thousands of dollars to perform endless demonstrations that no one would believe unless they saw it themselves? Even if Cook could show a film of the thing lifting off the ground James Randi would be claiming it was a hoax. The engineers that do bother to test these things are usually regarded as cranks for even spending the time to do so. A test that is sufficient for you and I will probably not be enough for conventional science, you would literally have to stick these people on it and lift it off the ground before they would believe it. Teddy Roosevelt had to get a confirming report of the Wright Brothers first flight because scientists thought it was a hoax.

I don't think a conviencing demonstration is really the problem. There have been a number of those - Sandia Labs is a good example. The problem is that todate (Other than Townsend Brown) nobody has been able to achieve breakeven (lift itself).

If and when that happens then and only then will science take it serious less than that and it is a couriousity that rubs salt in their healed wounds and they ignore such things because there is no threat that it will impact their work or budget.

Townsend Brown met every test and proved the concept but the device was not practical from an appication vantage point. These were discs (Capacitors) that were about 3 feet in diameter. No room for cargo, etc and difficult to control. But the principle worked the discs flew in a vacuum chamber provided by France.

When sombody comes up with the Air Cycle like in the film Star Wars then eyes will pop out.

Gregg,

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Gregg,

All you need to do is find a useful application for your waste water. You give up to easy.<img src=icon_smile_wink.gif border=0 align=middle>


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I do 50 hours a week of chemical engineering, with deadlines. I haven't given up, but I haven't solved the puzzle. I brought up items of interest that may not have been presented together before.


Gregg Wilson