Deep-Gas, Deep Hot Biosphere Theory

On the vexing question of possible alien intervention on this planet. The flint hand axe makes it first appearance about one and a half million years ago. The "pebble chopper" tool is even older. These things were not made by some sort of man ape but by very sophisticated people. Flint knapping is a highly skilled job, and its social context denotes forethought and group dynamics of a high order.

Further, all land living vertebrates were under extreme environmental stress over a long period leading to the advance of hominids. The survival strategy adopted was that of neoteny. Our aliens had to genetically modify all life over a roughly twenty five million year period. That makes them an extremely advanced, and long lived, civilization.

A while back I tried to get people on this board to play a game, in which they had to fight their corner over how we would deal with our first contact with a pre technological planetary culture. We are the aliens in this game. People have played it, and the game quickly becomes one of the ethics of non intervention. Basically, not to do something is doing something. Would we for instance, gently push for helotry, against slavery, as a means to later introduce an agrarian wage economy.

What no one even contemplated doing, was to build giant high tech machines, using slave labour. Bear in mind that Egypt was not a slave society, so the people would be building something under the delusion that they were free labourers. Further, these people had built mud brick objects. which had failed. The corners fall off brick pyramids, the sheer weight of the pyramid pushes out the corners. This might help explain why a gentle curve to the base line was designed into a stone version, it would make for a stronger structure.

The problem I have with the very idea, is why enslave people and make them work, with copper tools, on a nuclear reactor? The ancillary equipment had to have been made elsewhere, off planet, which suggests no great energy needs requiring a reactor. Why aren't the aliens trying to earn a buck? Wouldn't an alien Bill Gates want to free the slaves, to sell them them p.c.s? An alien Steve Jobs would raise morale no end by handing out cheap ipods to the sled haulers.

Obviously it's unprofitable to try and second guess alien psychology but I don't care what planet one comes from, slavery is just plain inefficient.

Hi Stoat, You make some good points regarding slavery. But, the evidence of messing with human genetics is there and I have the pictures of artifacts revealing that manipulation. Sumarian depictions of Enki going down into an underground facility in the E ngur to design a human to replace the Annunaki workers. Now, if these Gods were real as depicted in Sumerian God king lists that go back 450,000 years and the 'Zep Tepi' first time period when the Neterus Gods were on earth as depicted in the Seti Temple at Abados; then, maybe there was a separate class of humanoids that influenced humanity.

Maybe slaves did not build the pyramids, however it is possible that these Gods existed as a separate class of humanoids and they did have technology that helped to build some of these structures...Otherwise, how else do you cut and move 2,000,000 lb blocks.

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Note earlier stone work to be gigantic.

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Here is further speculation between Mars and Earth regarding the 'alien' aspect of former Eqyptian rulers.



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John Rickey

Back to basic chemistry and the "filled the L electron shell theory".

We can begin with molecular nitrogen. Since it is observed that the bond between the two nitrogen atoms is a triple bond, perhaps that fills the L shell for one of the nitrogen atoms, but not the other one. oops.

Nitric Oxide, NO, has a double bond, if we "surrender" the oxygen's two electrons to nitrogen this fails to fill the L electron shell by one electron. oops.

Nitrogen Dioxide, NO2, has a bit of a problem. Either it has filled two of the three electrons needed by nitrogen or it has overfilled the L shell with four electrons. oops.

Dinitrogen Tetraoxide, N2O4. The problem gets worse. The only solution is four bonds for each nitrogen atom, thus overfilling the L shell. oops.

Dinitrogen Trioxide, N2O3. Here we can have three bonds with each nitrogen atom and the L shell is filled. You got a hit, Stoat!

Dinitrogen Pentaoxide, N2O5. No matter how you slice it, there are four bonds for each nitrogen atom and the L shell is overfilled. oops.

Nitrous Oxide, N2O. Either one nitrogen atom has only two bonds and the other has four bonds, or one nitrogen has three bonds (a hit!) and the other has four bonds. 3/4s oops.

Nitrous Acid, HNO2. Well, this does work out to filling the L shell for the nitrogen atom, with three bonds. Trouble is, Nitrous Acid is "very unhappy". When its concentration is even slight and/or the temperature is above 32 F, it decomposes into one HNO3 and two NOs. Neither of those satisfy the L shell requirement. oops.

Nitric Acid, HNO3. Here the nitrogen atom has to have five bonds, which way overfills the L shell. oops.

Ammonia, NH3. Here the L shell is filled. You got a hit, Stoat!

Ammonium hydroxide, NH4OH. Now there must be five bonds, which way overfills the L shell. oops.

My reference has been General Chemistry, by Linus Pauling, W. H Freeman & Company, 1959, pages 376 - 379.

The "octet rule" or filling the L shell doesn't work. Get over it.

(You can play the game the other way by trying to give up the five electrons in Nitrogen's L shell, but you run into the same problems.)


Gregg Wilson

Electrons can be transfered or shared. Take lithium fluoride for example. The fluorine needs an electron to complete its l shell, it grabs it from lithium l shell, leaving the lithium with a net positive charge. The fluorine has a net negative charge. Thopposite charges hold the two ions together. Two fluorins however will share an electron, and thus fill their l shells.

Some of these molecules can be found here. www.brookscole.com/chemistry_d/templates...rogenpentaoxide.html

While waiting for Gregg to answer Stoat’s latest gambit about “shared electrons,” I’ll pinch hit with some speculations and comments:

<b><i>Hi Neil, In defense of Gregg's ideas…It is also possible that the elysium atmosphere around the proton is cone shaped with a back eddy behind the graviton flow at bottom of proton adding to a cone shape. [cosmicsurfer]</i></b>

I like the idea, but I’m just an observer here.

<i><b>Regarding ancient civilizations, there is no doubt in my mind from the archeological evidence that visitations occured from some advanced off planet humanoid species, e.g., I have many pictures of artifacts depicting flight, astronauts, space ships, genetic engineering, giants with human slaves [csurfer]</b></i>

My mind is open here; (see my Artificial Structures posts).

<i><b>Lose the faces, they simply cannot exist. Keep the tetrahedral form [stoat]</b></i>

I assume your speaking of Gregg’s protons?

<i><b>On the vexing question of possible alien intervention on this planet. The flint hand axe makes it first appearance about one and a half million years ago. The "pebble chopper" tool is even older. These things were not made by some sort of man ape but by very sophisticated people. Flint knapping is a highly skilled job, and its social context denotes forethought and group dynamics of a high order.

Further, all land living vertebrates were under extreme environmental stress over a long period leading to the advance of hominids. The survival strategy adopted was that of neoteny. Our aliens had to genetically modify all life over a roughly twenty five million year period. That makes them an extremely advanced, and long lived, civilization. [stoat]</b></i>

I’ve thought about this stuff long and hard, and it all rests of finding unassailable evidence (e.g., on Mars or inside the Great Pyramid). I’m optimistic because the logic favors it, and the work of Sitchin and others is compelling. But if aliens are involved in earth’s history it must go back a long long way. For example, if the dinosaurs had not become extinct, chances are, mammals would never have crawled out of their “rat holes” for fear of being eaten. Oh, and I for one have no problem with the concept of advanced aliens being slavers of primitive humans for the same reason that we use dogs, horses, cattle, and sheep as “slaves.”

<i><b> Maybe slaves did not build the pyramids, however it is possible that these Gods existed as a separate class of humanoids and they did have technology that helped to build some of these structures...Otherwise, how else do you cut and move 2,000,000 lb blocks. [csurfer]</b></i>

If I (or any building contractor or engineer for that matter) were a “god” working under those conditions, I would have a simple solution, one which may satisfy ocham’s razor in most cases: Cement. Why lift it if you can pour it? [Neil]

it gets worse, what about the Permian extinction? The animals of the Permian were well on the way to having mammalian characteristics. Warm blooded, fur and bearing live young. If alien lizards bumped them off, to make way for their prefered age of dinosaurs. Then along come another bunch of aliens who bump off the dinosaurs. Why don't the creeps go and have a proper war with each other?

I had a word with my brother's dog, and it said it had no plans to emancipate him just yet. Though it did toy with the idea of having him put down when he had the gall to watch football, when it wanted an invigorating walk in the freezing cold.