Deep-Gas, Deep Hot Biosphere Theory

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<br />While waiting for Gregg to answer Stoat’s latest gambit about “shared electrons,” I’ll pinch hit with some speculations and comments:

If I (or any building contractor or engineer for that matter) were a “god” working under those conditions, I would have a simple solution, one which may satisfy ocham’s razor in most cases: Cement. Why lift it if you can pour it? [Neil]
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You are distracting me, Neil, with a very interesting subject: why were the pyramids built?

I will get back to "shared electrons" in detail later. But the short answer is:

If you can "slice and dice" the electrons then you can cover any molecular situation. It is "deuces wild" and one is "cooking the books" to save the electron shell theory.

But the Giza Pyramids are more interesting. They have a singular lack of metals - although one item was an iron door on one of the shafts! When did the "Iron Age" start? I don't think it was 2,500 BC.

The limestone and granite are truly unrefined materials. Simply cut them out and stack them. There <b>was</b> a cement placed between the blocks. Petrie reported on it. The space between blocks was about 1/50th of an inch. Very close fit. The cement was not "recognizable" and remains a mystery.

If you want to make the cement we know, then you have to dig up the limestone anyway, and run it through a kiln. This requires considerable refined metal and considerable refined fuel. This implies two large industries: metal refining and fuel refining. Rather complicated. And concrete contains sand and rock, besides cement.

Since Petrie reported drill marks in the extremely hard, granite sarcophagus - this indicated something like tungsten carbide drill bits with 2 - 4 tons pressure on the drill bit. This is a strange technological contrast to an all stone pyramid.

Why? I <b>knew</b> I would ask the question!

Suppose all civilization has been scrubbed off the Earth by a global tidal surge (lasting a long time). Afterward, you land on Earth with considerable knowledge and a limited number of high tech tools. But there are no refined inventories of metals and fuels, etc. There is nothing left. You are in the boy scout position of having ability but no supplies. You will have to make do. You begin rebuilding in a simple, primitive manner.

I think the builders did a very good job. Slaves? Who? Notice that they went after a very long lasting "ultimate" fuel. Pu-239 does decay in about 24,000 years but it decays to U-235. U-235's half-life is 720 million years. A very long term investment.

Why a pyramid? Well, with its close fit, cement and its overall geometry, it would be very resistant to a global tidal surge. "Once burned, well learned."

It would be nice to know who they were. I don't have a clue.

Gregg Wilson

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Suppose all civilization has been scrubbed off the Earth by a global tidal surge (lasting a long time). Afterward, you land on Earth with considerable knowledge and a limited number of high tech tools. But there are no refined inventories of metals and fuels, etc. There is nothing left. You are in the boy scout position of having ability but no supplies. You will have to make do. You begin rebuilding in a simple, primitive manner. [Gregg]
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This is interesting because I've been leaning toward a similar model for some time now in my "Mars faces" project. If it's not all our imaginations, and I think not, because we have far too much convincing evidence by now, I'm leaning toward a model that requires a very small band of survivors perhaps, or even ETs from elsewhere in the galaxy. Why? Because all of the artifacts we can see clearly (on Mars) seem to have been made with minimal (or no) labor, monuments carved out from above with some kind of laser cutters or the like.

Here on earth, there was abundant (primitive) labor (and a breathable atmosphere) for pyramid/reactor construction, but probably minimal technology and industrial equipment, provided by the "visitors." [Neil]

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<br />While waiting for Gregg to answer Stoat’s latest gambit about “shared electrons,” I’ll pinch hit with some speculations and comments:

<b><i>Hi Neil, In defense of Gregg's ideas…It is also possible that the elysium atmosphere around the proton is cone shaped with a back eddy behind the graviton flow at bottom of proton adding to a cone shape. [cosmicsurfer]</i></b>

I like the idea, but I’m just an observer here.

<i><b>Regarding ancient civilizations, there is no doubt in my mind from the archeological evidence that visitations occured from some advanced off planet humanoid species, e.g., I have many pictures of artifacts depicting flight, astronauts, space ships, genetic engineering, giants with human slaves [csurfer]</b></i>

My mind is open here; (see my Artificial Structures posts).

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<i><b>Lose the faces, they simply cannot exist. Keep the tetrahedral form [stoat]</b></i>

I assume your speaking of Gregg’s protons?

<i><b>On the vexing question of possible alien intervention on this planet. The flint hand axe makes it first appearance about one and a half million years ago. The "pebble chopper" tool is even older. These things were not made by some sort of man ape but by very sophisticated people. Flint knapping is a highly skilled job, and its social context denotes forethought and group dynamics of a high order.

Further, all land living vertebrates were under extreme environmental stress over a long period leading to the advance of hominids. The survival strategy adopted was that of neoteny. Our aliens had to genetically modify all life over a roughly twenty five million year period. That makes them an extremely advanced, and long lived, civilization. [stoat]</b></i>

I’ve thought about this stuff long and hard, and it all rests of finding unassailable evidence (e.g., on Mars or inside the Great Pyramid). I’m optimistic because the logic favors it, and the work of Sitchin and others is compelling. But if aliens are involved in earth’s history it must go back a long long way. For example, if the dinosaurs had not become extinct, chances are, mammals would never have crawled out of their “rat holes” for fear of being eaten. Oh, and I for one have no problem with the concept of advanced aliens being slavers of primitive humans for the same reason that we use dogs, horses, cattle, and sheep as “slaves.”

<i><b> Maybe slaves did not build the pyramids, however it is possible that these Gods existed as a separate class of humanoids and they did have technology that helped to build some of these structures...Otherwise, how else do you cut and move 2,000,000 lb blocks. [csurfer]</b></i>

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If I (or any building contractor or engineer for that matter) were a “god” working under those conditions, I would have a simple solution, one which may satisfy ocham’s razor in most cases: Cement. Why lift it if you can pour it? [Neil]


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As Gregg noted cement was used in pyramid construction. I will do an analysis of a picture of technology from Abydos Temple next.

John Rickey

ABYDOS TEMPLE GLYPHS - 'ZEP TEPI' ADVANCED TECHNOLOGY




Starting with a plane on the tarmac, you can see an evolution of aviation with a rocket ship above plane. There are two 'shems' small carrier objects one lower then other in back ground that connect with a large satellite structure that appears to have a base, tower, and radar/communications assembly on tower. The three 'cranes' for lifting large blocks are at top of glyph.

Focusing on the helicopter notice that what most people would call the rotor blades is likely an ibeam for tieing off large cut stones, since the cutaway in main body is directly under this assembly fits perfectly as harbor for lifting blocks. Also, the other two crane beams point directly at the helicopter which in essence must be similar lifting capabilities using an antigravity technology. The other two cranes hover above project and lower cables.

Clues as to advanced engineering: I have these pictures but do not have time to search for these drawings [I could not find the temple overlay drawings on net---I will post my copy of pictures some time in future]. If you take the three Giza Plateau temples and overlay them they reveal advanced engineering plans for an antigravity power plant/engine. One of the characteristics of antigravity propulsion is that it causes an extreme collapse wave of electrons that cascade perpetually into the drive system [Searl device does this that is why he lost his original craft because they went directly up into space]. No power needed once process becomes self sustained. Also, generation of this kind of power enables sustained lasers or plasma cuting systems.

Searl Effect Generator-Russian Experiments:

www.searleffect.com/free/russianseg/russianseg.htm

Video of Dr. Searl - A Must See!!! NASA scientist/watch as craft is being built - calculated 9 hours to moon!!!:

merlib.vodpod.com/video/42990-the-searl-...ge-scale-antigravity

The temple design 'engine' exactly matches the sides of pyramid for rotors---no surprise there!

John Rickey

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Starting with a plane on the tarmac, you can see an evolution of aviation with a rocket ship above plane.....
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I am not following most of this but it is outside my competence. I do think that the pyramid system was a "primitive restart" heading for a much higher technology, as time permitted.
GLW

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Clues as to advanced engineering: I have these pictures but do not have time to search for these drawings. If you take the three Giza Plateau temples and overlay them they reveal advanced engineering plans for an antigravity power plant/engine.
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Huh?

GLW

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One of the characteristics of antigravity propulsion is that it causes an extreme collapse wave of electrons that cascade perpetually into the drive system [Searl device does this that is why he lost his original craft because they went directly up into space]. No power needed once process becomes self sustained.
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If one can devise a molecular (crystal) structure that can bring in "random" gravitational flux and redirect it in one direction, then you have a propulsion engine with no "apparent" energy consumption. This would be, in effect, a "sailship" in outer space. Trick is, how?


Gregg Wilson

Back to electron shells, etc.

I quote:

"...hence the three most loosely bound electrons might be three 3d electrons, or two 3d electrons and one 4s electron, or one 3d electron and two 4s electrons. The electron configuration of Fe+++ might then be any one of the following three:

A. 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 3d^3 4s^2

B. 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 3d^4 4s

C. 1s^2 2s^2 2p^6 3s^2 3p^6 3d^5

This is as far as the solution of the problem can be taken without additional information."

<i>Linus Pauling</i>

<b>General Chemistry</b>, page 231, Freeman and Company, 1959

Now this is pretty intense.

And Mr Stoat, you want these electrons to share shells within another atom? For God's sake, man, we don't even know which electrons are willing to do this!

The above is religion and has no practical use. (It puts the Roman Catholic Church to shame.) I have never had to refer to electron shell configurations to determine what the ferric ion does. And I have used it for reactions, precipitations and catalysis. I go to data books and carry out experiments. And then we design.

Engineering moral: when science degrades into religion, utility is transformed into futility.

Gregg Wilson