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10 years 9 months ago #21930
by pareidoliac
Replied by pareidoliac on topic Reply from fred ressler
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10 years 9 months ago #21931
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
Malcolm, let me try a logical approach.
Imagine for a minute that some unscrupulous person embedded Fred's photo into one of the HiRise image strips. Imagine it was a perfect splice, in that if was almost impossible to discern this person's trickery.
Then we come along and find this image on the Martian terrain.
Would you not agree that a person who leaned towards Artificial Origins would be agog over making this discovery on the Martian Surface, and would have no doubt that there was an "intelligent hand" involved?
rd
Imagine for a minute that some unscrupulous person embedded Fred's photo into one of the HiRise image strips. Imagine it was a perfect splice, in that if was almost impossible to discern this person's trickery.
Then we come along and find this image on the Martian terrain.
Would you not agree that a person who leaned towards Artificial Origins would be agog over making this discovery on the Martian Surface, and would have no doubt that there was an "intelligent hand" involved?
rd
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10 years 9 months ago #21932
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Replied by Marsevidence01 on topic Reply from Malcolm Scott
An excellent example of a pariedolic image captured in a fleeting moment in some wavering tree shadows.
Now, to define the difference or as they say in France "vive la difference"!
In order to establish artificiality, we need to confirm "conducive coherency". In random patterns, one can most always define an image and, faces are particularly common due to our capacity to recognize life. Without a coherent shape, design or signature, the pattern is thus random and viewed pareidolic.
On Mars, we see the opposite. In fact, there are so many similarities in the shapes and designs, it is as though the same creator was dictating the policy.
Although each Moai statue is unique, ALL have the same signature.
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And, if the researcher does not take this into account while examining the anomalies on Mars, in all likelihood, he will never catch this conducive coherency.
This is the frame of mind I was alluding to earlier. If one does not expect, one will not see.
My advice: "expect not to see the expected, but rather, expect to see the unexpected". In my humble opinion, this IS the very essence of science!
Malcolm Scott
Now, to define the difference or as they say in France "vive la difference"!
In order to establish artificiality, we need to confirm "conducive coherency". In random patterns, one can most always define an image and, faces are particularly common due to our capacity to recognize life. Without a coherent shape, design or signature, the pattern is thus random and viewed pareidolic.
On Mars, we see the opposite. In fact, there are so many similarities in the shapes and designs, it is as though the same creator was dictating the policy.
Although each Moai statue is unique, ALL have the same signature.
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And, if the researcher does not take this into account while examining the anomalies on Mars, in all likelihood, he will never catch this conducive coherency.
This is the frame of mind I was alluding to earlier. If one does not expect, one will not see.
My advice: "expect not to see the expected, but rather, expect to see the unexpected". In my humble opinion, this IS the very essence of science!
Malcolm Scott
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10 years 9 months ago #21933
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Replied by Marsevidence01 on topic Reply from Malcolm Scott
Would you not agree that a person who leaned towards Artificial Origins would be agog over making this discovery on the Martian Surface, and would have no doubt that there was an "intelligent hand" involved?
rd
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Yes, I do agree, that would be quite embaressing, but unlikely. This is why I confirmed the image in the RAW data file.
Malcolm Scott
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Yes, I do agree, that would be quite embaressing, but unlikely. This is why I confirmed the image in the RAW data file.
Malcolm Scott
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10 years 9 months ago #21934
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />An excellent example of a pariedolic image captured in a fleeting moment in some wavering tree shadows.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I placed it below your eye for a reason. It was to show how much more detailed it was then what you considered evidence of an "eye" to back your claim that the rock was a statue.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In order to establish artificiality, we need to confirm "conducive coherency". <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Maybe. But we still haven't seen an example of it, and as the saying goes, "talk is cheap."
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This is the frame of mind I was alluding to earlier. If one does not expect, one will not see.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That's how pareidolia works too. If one expects, one will see.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">My advice: "expect not to see the expected, but rather, expect to see the unexpected". In my humble opinion, this IS the very essence of science!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">This is what Fred and I are saying about pareidolia too. Expect to see the unexpected and you will find it...<i><b>everywhere.</b></i> Even on Mars. There will be "conducive coherency" because it all comes from the same mind.
rd
<br />An excellent example of a pariedolic image captured in a fleeting moment in some wavering tree shadows.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I placed it below your eye for a reason. It was to show how much more detailed it was then what you considered evidence of an "eye" to back your claim that the rock was a statue.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">In order to establish artificiality, we need to confirm "conducive coherency". <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Maybe. But we still haven't seen an example of it, and as the saying goes, "talk is cheap."
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">This is the frame of mind I was alluding to earlier. If one does not expect, one will not see.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That's how pareidolia works too. If one expects, one will see.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">My advice: "expect not to see the expected, but rather, expect to see the unexpected". In my humble opinion, this IS the very essence of science!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">This is what Fred and I are saying about pareidolia too. Expect to see the unexpected and you will find it...<i><b>everywhere.</b></i> Even on Mars. There will be "conducive coherency" because it all comes from the same mind.
rd
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10 years 9 months ago #22324
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />This is why I confirmed the image in the RAW data file.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's not exactly what I was getting at. What I meant was, it was detailed enough to claim "it must be artificial" in and of itself.
rd
<br />This is why I confirmed the image in the RAW data file.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's not exactly what I was getting at. What I meant was, it was detailed enough to claim "it must be artificial" in and of itself.
rd
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