My pareidolia knows no bounds.

Got it. Thank you.

[/quote]Malcolm, don't be too hasty. You may be the one who ends up having the last laugh. All I'm trying to say is that in order to convince someone, you have to have convincing material. Maybe the "shovel" or "Yosemite" is a bit of a stretch, but the whole idea that you can start by saying there's life there, therefore these are artworks, goes counter to sound scientific thought.

If you have a strong belief that you're right, you should keep trying it out on us. We might be the most captive audience you're ever going to get.

I merely wanted to point out that we didn't arrive at where we are through bias and preconceived ideas, we arrived here because we've been looking at this stuff for a long time, and studying it.

In my opinion, cartoon type images are the easiest to see pareidolically because there are no rules. Anything that remotely looks like a mouth and eyes can easily be fused into a cartoon shape head, since we've been looking at all sorts of cartoons our whole lives, and especially since we were very young.

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Rich, reading your posts I can tell you are a very intelligent person with a deep scientific mind. It seems to me that you have created a box for yourself by asserting the "power of precedence". I am now convinced that you will not be persuaded until you arrive on Mars and take a walk around for yourself and find your shovel.

Until then, all images of anomalies are merely a figment of ones imagination, right?

I recently posted an image of a section of surface that clearly shows a figure standing on Mars where you ascertained that the chap was some 41 foot high.

The image was of a figure of an apparent creature. Tell me, is this a rock and/or that my eyes are playing trick with my imagination?

So we have a figure of a tall "being" statue or not....this in MARS! And it should not be there should it? But it is - yes or no?

If yes, then you have stage one to re-evaluate the possibility that all preceding images once thought to be the product of Pareidolia COULD BE WRONG!

To me, the Face at Cydonia could actually be a clump of rocks (I know now that seems unlikely) but this creature/being/statue is CLEARLY not a rock and nor is it the product of my mind.

Rich, you say that you have reviewed thousands of images of the surface, and so have I AND I can tell you this; when you get right up close and "see through the blur", there is much more there than meets your pareidolic eye.

Ok, that's enough on this subject/thread for me. I am thinking of posting a new topic soon and hopefully this forum will find some interest and it will not involve any mention of the word pareidolia in any of its connotations.

Thanks,.

Malcolm Scott

Malcolm, those are good questions. I am anxious to respond to a couple of them tomorrow.

"But my dear man, reality is only a Rorschach ink-blot, you know." - Alan Watts

"Reality is only pareidolia (ressler)(pattern recognition)." fred ressler.

For all we know there is only our consciousness and pareidolia. (ressler).

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Until then, all images of anomalies are merely a figment of ones imagination, right? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
No. Not at all. That would imply you're just seeing stuff with your eyes closed (little green men in an all white room). No that's not what we're saying. The patterns are there, we can point them out and talk about them in great detail. The question is only partially are they there or not when it comes to shadows shifting as we change our vantage point, but from any given vantage point, like in a captured image, the patterns are certainly there. The question that remains though, is are they Martian Art.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I recently posted an image of a section of surface that clearly shows a figure standing on Mars where you ascertained that the chap was some 41 foot high.

The image was of a figure of an apparent creature. Tell me, is this a rock and/or that my eyes are playing trick with my imagination?

So we have a figure of a tall "being" statue or not....this in MARS! And it should not be there should it? But it is - yes or no?

If yes, then you have stage one to re-evaluate the possibility that all preceding images once thought to be the product of Pareidolia COULD BE WRONG! <b>Malcolm</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Again, your eyes are not playing tricks on you. I see the object too, and I think anyone would see it. But what is it? That is the question. Is it a statue? You are right in saying that if it is indeed a statue, then all bets are off, and the floodgates of Artificiality open wide. But that's a big if. When I look at it, I see something in the shape of a statue, except that (a) the head is the same as all the rest of the landscape's surface and (b) there are nascent statues all along the wall face, not fully formed yet (see arrows).




Sure you could argue that the Artist chose that location because it lent itself to easily carving a statue out of it, or one can take the more obvious explanation that is just some rocks that look like it's in the shape of a statue.

Since you asked me, I'd bet money that it's just a rock shape, and that if we got one greater order of magnitude resolution we'd see that it's not a statue.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">To me, the Face at Cydonia could actually be a clump of rocks (I know now that seems unlikely) but this creature/being/statue is CLEARLY not a rock and nor is it the product of my mind. <b>Malcolm</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> In all honesty, I long since gave up thinking the Cydonia Face was artificial. And your creature/being/statue is definitely not just the product of your mind. We both see something very similar, it's just the conclusions we draw that are different.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Rich, you say that you have reviewed thousands of images of the surface, and so have I AND I can tell you this; when you get right up close and "see through the blur", there is much more there than meets your pareidolic eye. <b>Malcolm</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">There are faces everywhere we look. If I look up in the giant Douglas Firs that surround my house, I see faces galore. Especially if it is made up of a partial face, like say when the mouth and chin are obstructed by a house. Those are the easiest kind of face to see because the mind easily fills in the blanks.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Ok, that's enough on this subject/thread for me. I am thinking of posting a new topic soon and hopefully this forum will find some interest and it will not involve any mention of the word pareidolia in any of its connotations. <b>Malcolm</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">As you know by now, the moderators would never tolerate ad-hominem attacks, but I've never seen any instance of them opposing the use of the word pareidolia. Just think of it as if you're presenting your case, and you don't really care all that much whether or not people agree with it, but you want to get it out there. Some people will be fascinated with it, and some won't.


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Malcome- Eliminate the word pareidolia (any)- but pareidolia (any) will always be there because it is primary. Consciousness and pareidolia (ressler) - what else is there- if anything- for sure. There is only our consciousness presented with patterns. What we call pareidolia (any) is patterns within the patterns. We create the patterns as they create us. There is no separation except to the warrior/neophyte/ and lesson learner. We came to this planet to end war- not join it. Lighten up and avoid antipareidoliaism- for pareidolia is all there is as is evident by it's lack of interest by art/science/university/ and all the unreal leaders who have given us this unequal mess. Only the outside art community has given any support to pareidolia. Real culture is outside the university system.