My pareidolia knows no bounds.

Suppose that we put the pareidolia theory aside. We still need to answer the question.

How do we know?

I promise you that one girl's personal opinion is *not* going to convince anyone else. Some back up is needed. More data, please.

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I agree with this approach entirely. A great question! Now IF we could agree to do this, I would be up for posting more evidence and let's be about it within the parameters of the REAL scientific method.

Malcolm Scott

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<br />Pareidolia--(Ressler updated definition).

"Pareidolia is the phenomena of seeing faces and figures in patterns; as opposed to where one normally sees faces and figures on material objects(in animals including people and forms in landscapes.)
It is seeing what appears to the individual to be a personal pattern representation seen in the clouds, wood grain, marble, smoke, shadows, fire or any non-homogeneous everyday material where the material is made by nature without man's intervention."


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This IS perfect Pareidolia from Ressler and note the description....

Clouds, wood grain, Marble, Smoke, Shadows, Fire or any non-homogeneous everyday material where the material is made by nature without man's intervention."

Read these descriptions CAREFULLY AND DIGEST. They are ALL terrestrial data points. All are known realities where the science of Pareidolia can be accurately measured and ascertained.

NOT SO ON MARS. Until we know precisely the reality or properties of the surface condition responsible for the many anomalies there, we simply CANNOT apply the principles of the scientific method of Pareidolia in any form. There can be NO "probable" pareidolia.

This is pure logic which you guys always seem to conveniently move to the side.

Pareidolia in ANY form thus - has NO PLACE in the evaluation of the Martian surface with respect to "visual evidence".

Malcolm Scott

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<br />We are hard and soft wired to look for scapegoats when dissonance occurs.
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Yep!

Malcolm Scott

<b>[Marsevidence01] "I would be up for posting more evidence ..."</b>

Just keep in mind that more pictures is not what I mean.

We really want something else.

You can certainly post more pictures. You can tell us what you see in them (if you want to) and we can tell you what we see in them (if we want to). But unless you find some that are different from all the others so far we are not likely to be impressed.

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The pareidolia theory is <u>not</u> being banned.

I'm just *suggesting* that since we all now know what everyone thinks in that regard and since some of us seem overly sensitive to some of the connotations of the word, it might better serve the interests of debate if it is used less often.

<b>[pareidoliac] "... clouds, wood grain, marble, smoke, shadows, fire or any non-homogeneous everyday material where the material is made by nature without man's intervention."</b>

Iron oxide rich soil, shaped by aeons of natural processes, either similar to those on Earth or perhaps different, fits perfectly as a non-homogeneous material. And it is also everyday. It has been, every day for a long long time.

But, if anyone disagrees we should probably consider adding a new definition to our list. Its name might be something along the lines of "pareidolia (Mars)" or perhaps pareidolia (extra terrestrial).

However, another way to approach this issue/problem/disagreement might be to just use the phrase 'pattern recognition error' (PRE) in place of pareidolia.

We already have five definitions for pareidolia (so more probably will not help that much), but when most of use it we are actually talking about a PRE. Pareidolia means the same thing to most of us, but not to all of us.

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