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10 years 1 month ago #22617
by Marsevidence01
Replied by Marsevidence01 on topic Reply from Malcolm Scott
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br /><b>[marsevidence01] "For example, would we recognize an artifact which exhibits properties of more than three dimensions?"</b>
Probably not. But to date there is NO evidence (no data point) that suggests that such an object does or even can exist.
We certainly have mathematical models that point to more-than-three dimensions. But math is not constrained by physics (or anything else, besides internal consistency, for that matter) whereas the physical world is.
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This is a physics website.
Try to talk about physics.
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Larry, I concede; this is a physics website however, when we are discussing the MRO images...there is only a limited aspect of "physics" we can draw upon. These images are for one purpose alone and that is to SEE with the human eye. The process is a simple one; image for visual inspection and conclusion drawn upon from this process only. There is very minimal "physics" involved here.
This is why it makes for interesting analysis and evaluation....for and by the layman. One need not be a "rocket scientist" to make a comment I do not believe?
Malcolm Scott
<br /><b>[marsevidence01] "For example, would we recognize an artifact which exhibits properties of more than three dimensions?"</b>
Probably not. But to date there is NO evidence (no data point) that suggests that such an object does or even can exist.
We certainly have mathematical models that point to more-than-three dimensions. But math is not constrained by physics (or anything else, besides internal consistency, for that matter) whereas the physical world is.
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This is a physics website.
Try to talk about physics.
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Larry, I concede; this is a physics website however, when we are discussing the MRO images...there is only a limited aspect of "physics" we can draw upon. These images are for one purpose alone and that is to SEE with the human eye. The process is a simple one; image for visual inspection and conclusion drawn upon from this process only. There is very minimal "physics" involved here.
This is why it makes for interesting analysis and evaluation....for and by the layman. One need not be a "rocket scientist" to make a comment I do not believe?
Malcolm Scott
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10 years 1 month ago #22532
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />1. There <i>are</i> images:
So it is not true that images and anomalies are not being discovered on the Martian surface - they are and they are being discussed world wide. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's not at all what I'm talking about. I'm talking about <b>the people who actually work at NASA/JPL/UofA. NOT the people "out there" in the World who subscribe to the AOH. I'm talking about insiders.</b>
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiS3B...YWM/view?usp=sharing
He has impressive credentials, but this is just talk.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">3. Accessing the data images:
these images can take up to 30 minuets to d/l....a lengthy time for most "Joe public". <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Not true. The JP2 files can be viewed instantly by click and drag into the HiView window. No trouble at all. I do it all the time, and it's been available for a couple of years. By now, Joe Public could be viewing the JP2 files until his heart is content.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Of course, HiRISE does provide the researcher with their so-called "HiView" program but let me say this; has anyone really tried to analyze, move around and zoom in WITH EASE using this software? It's a royal pain. And now try saving the JP2 to an uncompressed .tiff image in HiView and see what you get....crap!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No trouble at all. When you zoom in to the location you want, and save the current view, there's no loss of data.
And anyway, the proof is in what you're posting, or the lack of it. What's to stop you from posting irrefutable proof right here on this website. Like I said earlier, I think your case could zoom forward if you were actually posting proof and not merely talking about it.
I think you probably have one of the best allies for getting your proof out there right here in Larry Burford, than you will ever find. As far as I've been able to tell, there is absolutely nothing stopping you.
rd
<br />1. There <i>are</i> images:
So it is not true that images and anomalies are not being discovered on the Martian surface - they are and they are being discussed world wide. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">That's not at all what I'm talking about. I'm talking about <b>the people who actually work at NASA/JPL/UofA. NOT the people "out there" in the World who subscribe to the AOH. I'm talking about insiders.</b>
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> drive.google.com/file/d/0B--tam0uh-oiS3B...YWM/view?usp=sharing
He has impressive credentials, but this is just talk.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">3. Accessing the data images:
these images can take up to 30 minuets to d/l....a lengthy time for most "Joe public". <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Not true. The JP2 files can be viewed instantly by click and drag into the HiView window. No trouble at all. I do it all the time, and it's been available for a couple of years. By now, Joe Public could be viewing the JP2 files until his heart is content.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Of course, HiRISE does provide the researcher with their so-called "HiView" program but let me say this; has anyone really tried to analyze, move around and zoom in WITH EASE using this software? It's a royal pain. And now try saving the JP2 to an uncompressed .tiff image in HiView and see what you get....crap!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No trouble at all. When you zoom in to the location you want, and save the current view, there's no loss of data.
And anyway, the proof is in what you're posting, or the lack of it. What's to stop you from posting irrefutable proof right here on this website. Like I said earlier, I think your case could zoom forward if you were actually posting proof and not merely talking about it.
I think you probably have one of the best allies for getting your proof out there right here in Larry Burford, than you will ever find. As far as I've been able to tell, there is absolutely nothing stopping you.
rd
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10 years 1 month ago #22533
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Dr. John Brandenburg where he mentions a few examples.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I didn't know who he was so I'm reading a little about his "Mars was nuked" theory. The first thing that popped into my head was:
<b><i>And all the artworks on every square inch of the surface managed to survive?!?</i></b>
rd
<br />Dr. John Brandenburg where he mentions a few examples.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I didn't know who he was so I'm reading a little about his "Mars was nuked" theory. The first thing that popped into my head was:
<b><i>And all the artworks on every square inch of the surface managed to survive?!?</i></b>
rd
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10 years 1 month ago #22666
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Replied by Marsevidence01 on topic Reply from Malcolm Scott
Not true. The JP2 files can be viewed instantly by click and drag into the HiView window. No trouble at all. I do it all the time, and it's been available for a couple of years. By now, Joe Public could be viewing the JP2 files until his heart is content.
rd
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Sorry, have to disagree, while you maybe able to open the JP2 image quickly in HiVIEW for ease of operation and in-depth research, the software offers limited if none.
If this is the program you have been using to evaluate the Martian surface, no wonder you have not been able to find anomalies. Try IRFANVIEW my friend, a whole world of flexibility will be opened to you. Somehow though, I don't think you will venture...hmmm
Malcolm Scott
rd
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Sorry, have to disagree, while you maybe able to open the JP2 image quickly in HiVIEW for ease of operation and in-depth research, the software offers limited if none.
If this is the program you have been using to evaluate the Martian surface, no wonder you have not been able to find anomalies. Try IRFANVIEW my friend, a whole world of flexibility will be opened to you. Somehow though, I don't think you will venture...hmmm
Malcolm Scott
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10 years 1 month ago #22754
by rderosa
Replied by rderosa on topic Reply from Richard DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />If this is the program you have been using to evaluate the Martian surface, no wonder you have not been able to find anomalies.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Sorry, but that tactic is not going to work.
And again: <b> So what is stopping you from posting irrefutable proof?</b>
rd
<br />If this is the program you have been using to evaluate the Martian surface, no wonder you have not been able to find anomalies.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Sorry, but that tactic is not going to work.
And again: <b> So what is stopping you from posting irrefutable proof?</b>
rd
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10 years 1 month ago #22534
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Replied by Marsevidence01 on topic Reply from Malcolm Scott
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by rderosa</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Dr. John Brandenburg where he mentions a few examples.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I didn't know who he was so I'm reading a little about his "Mars was nuked" theory. The first thing that popped into my head was:
<b><i>And all the artworks on every square inch of the surface managed to survive?!?</i></b>
rd
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There was a nuclear bomb dropped on the center of Hiroshima, tell me, can you tell if there was a city there immediately after the bomb cleared the air?
Malcolm Scott
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Marsevidence01</i>
<br />Dr. John Brandenburg where he mentions a few examples.
Malcolm Scott
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I didn't know who he was so I'm reading a little about his "Mars was nuked" theory. The first thing that popped into my head was:
<b><i>And all the artworks on every square inch of the surface managed to survive?!?</i></b>
rd
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
There was a nuclear bomb dropped on the center of Hiroshima, tell me, can you tell if there was a city there immediately after the bomb cleared the air?
Malcolm Scott
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