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16 years 7 months ago #13631 by Gregg
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>

My personal opinion is that we need some more objective method of dating them before hazarding a guess.
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The purpose of my question is as follows:

Before the EPH "pasting" Mars might have had a livable atmosphere. After the EPH, the atmosphere was certainly reduced a great deal and was almost entirely CO2. (Where did the nitrogen go?)

If the artwork was done before EPH, then it may have been done "at leisure". After EPH, it would have been very difficult. This step change suggests very different motivations for doing the artwork, for before and after.

If the major EPH event is correctly dated to 65 million years ago - and the artwork was prior to that - this would be a very long time for genetic evolution. This would make the very human looking faces quite surprising.

Unless their lifespans were much, much greater than ours.

Gregg Wilson

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16 years 7 months ago #20675 by neilderosa
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Gregg</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>

My personal opinion is that we need some more objective method of dating them before hazarding a guess.
[Neil]

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The purpose of my question is as follows:

Before the EPH "pasting" Mars might have had a livable atmosphere. After the EPH, the atmosphere was certainly reduced a great deal and was almost entirely CO2. (Where did the nitrogen go?)

If the artwork was done before EPH, then it may have been done "at leisure". After EPH, it would have been very difficult. This step change suggests very different motivations for doing the artwork, for before and after.

If the major EPH event is correctly dated to 65 million years ago - and the artwork was prior to that - this would be a very long time for genetic evolution. This would make the very human looking faces quite surprising.

Unless their lifespans were much, much greater than ours.

Gregg Wilson
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All I can give you is my personal speculation. Since there are a lot of artifacts on the dichotomy border that could mean that many were covered up with the last explosion (Body C, 3.2 mya). It could also mean that they happen to be in locations with water sources needed by the ET who made the art works. Some of the good artifacts, like the Parrot and the Easter Island man are in the southern dichotomy hemisphere so they would have had to be made at least after the first explosion (Planet V, 65 mya), reckoning according to the EPH theory of course...assuming they would not be covered by the 3.2 mya explosion because it was smaller. But like I said, its all sheer speculation. The real question to me is how do you prove they are really artifacts.

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16 years 7 months ago #13482 by Gregg
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
The real question to me is how do you prove they are really artifacts.

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I agree that we do not have conclusive proof of overall artificiality, but the evidence is headed in that direction. My speculation (I repeat, speculation) is that if Earth was worked over by a global "tidal" wave - due to a passing plant - Mars may have been a refuge for those who had space travel capability. They might have made art representing themselves and what Earth was like before such a total disaster happened. And they may have been there for several years. I do trust the computation of cometary orbits being 1 to 3 million years old. I place very little confidence in radioactive dating because I know that the rate of radioactive decay is actually determined by rate of collisions experienced by the radioactive nuclei. Case in point: the atomic bomb. The fission half-life of U-235 suddenly shortens from 720 nillion years to less than a second. The fact that the type of collisions needed to cause alpha decay or beta decay is not known is simply our ignorance.

On vacation, so my communications are limited by motel computers.

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16 years 7 months ago #13513 by neilderosa
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Gregg</i>
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The real question to me is how do you prove they are really artifacts.

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I agree that we do not have conclusive proof of overall artificiality, but the evidence is headed in that direction. My speculation (I repeat, speculation) is that if Earth was worked over by a global "tidal" wave - due to a passing plant - Mars may have been a refuge for those who had space travel capability. They might have made art representing themselves and what Earth was like before such a total disaster happened. And they may have been there for several years. I do trust the computation of cometary orbits being 1 to 3 million years old. I place very little confidence in radioactive dating because I know that the rate of radioactive decay is actually determined by rate of collisions experienced by the radioactive nuclei. Case in point: the atomic bomb. The fission half-life of U-235 suddenly shortens from 720 nillion years to less than a second. The fact that the type of collisions needed to cause alpha decay or beta decay is not known is simply our ignorance.

On vacation, so my communications are limited by motel computers.

Gregg Wilson
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This is a reasonable speculation and I am not antagonistic to it. The ten to twenty really promising artifacts we have call for some kind of an explanation (which has to be preliminary and speculative until we get good physical, or experimental confirmation of their artificiality, which cant be done by just looking at images). But I think a Sitchin type model is more plausible than, say an ancient hi-tech earthlings scenario, who traveled to Mars, that I think you are suggesting; for a number of reasons: A couple of examples:

All of the archeological evidence of Cro-Magnon, and the more recent Magdalenian cultures of 18,000 and 10,000 BP during the upper Paleolithic shows a people who although amazingly talented and advanced; (they tamed horses, made wonderful cave-art paintings and much more); they were not capable of science as we know it, hence no space flight. This would have been the people who lived before the last great flood which probably occurred (in a sense) when the last ice age glaciers melted down rapidly around 11,000 BP.

The EPH theory leads logically to the possibility that Planet V, Body C or Mars could have supported intelligent life before the theorized explosion events of 65 mya and 3.2 mya.. Even the more recent 3.2 mya date would not have been a time frame (according to the fossil evidence) that pre-humans from earth could have done much more than eek out a living on the savannas of Africa.

If the artifacts are real, an extraterrestrial cause seems likely. [Neil]

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16 years 7 months ago #19869 by rush
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This is my first post on this section. I wonder how, using the scientific method, you guys can conclude that such features in those images are not natural (non-artificials). In other words, what makes you believe so strongly in the hypothesis of artificiality?

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16 years 7 months ago #20615 by gorme
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<br />This is my first post on this section. I wonder how, using the scientific method, you guys can conclude that such features in those images are not natural (non-artificials). In other words, what makes you believe so strongly in the hypothesis of artificiality?
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Hi Rush,
Personally I have not concluded these formations are artificial, nor do I believe in the hypothesis. I am simply accumulating evidence and trying to falsify it. That is, if one can prove that a formation could not have been formed geologically and the chance of it forming by random chance is sufficiently low then it should be artificial.
One way to do this is to compare a series of 5 faces on the theory that they are of the same or a similar alien. Since each part of the face should be random it should be unlikely to match a part of the other 4 faces closely. If it does then that can be given an approximates odds against chance of occuring. Since these correlations should be indepeendant of each other then these odds are multiplies together and with many correlations on 5 faces the odds against chance grow very large. It is not credible to assume that Mars would naturally make faces of the same alien over and over, or the whole planet would be tiled with face images.
The start of this thread was to point out that 2 of the Crowned faces have similar nose tips, and if they were random then they could easily have been very different to each other.

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