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Quantized redshift anomaly
19 years 7 months ago #11039
by Tommy
Replied by Tommy on topic Reply from Thomas Mandel
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tommy
I see clearly how the electric-magnetic aspects of astrophysics is being ignored.
It is not so much that plasma physics is being ignored in astrophysics, but that there are flaws in the corresponding theories of plasmas that lead to errors of judgement regarding the relevant physics involved.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Seems like there are always many theories, and eventually the right one emerges. The flaws get ironed out. I didn't mean that plasma is ignored in astrophysics, I meant outside of astrophysics it is unheard of. Took me a long time to find out there was something like plasma in cosmology. And I was looking...I don't see it as an alternative to the Big Bang theory though. There is no comparison. Plasma cosmology is more like a complementary to Gravitation. Big Bangers are shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring electromagnetic effects on stars.
There is an energy source INSIDE empty apace. Puthoff (1987) shows us that the ground state of the electron sustains it's radiative energies by taking up an equal energy from the source what he called the ZPE, what Planck called the ZPE what many call the Dirac Sea, what others call the quantum vacuum. This source is also inside the empty space of an atom. It is not outside in space like physical matter and fields are, as if you could touch it, or measure it, it is within our space. Some would say it is in another higher dimension. Reinman called it the fifth dimension. Maxwell thought it was the ether. It is "inside" every atom, every star, and it is inside us. It is a ground dimension. It is hyperspace. I simply think of it as INSIDE space, and let it go at that.
Of course you could, I suppose, if you please, hold to the view that every moving bit of inert matter carries around its own personal battery...
Think about it, an electron in orbit has magnetic momentum, this means it is moving and while it is moving it is radiating radiation and it does this all the time. So where is this energy coming from? THe standard answer, I love these kinds, was that the electron couldn't fall out of its orbit. Well, it is these fields that atoms use to couple. It is the electron fields of atoms that form the molecules from the elements. All elements, all molecules, all matter for that matter, is these interacting electron fields. And these fields are fed their sustaining energies from you make up a name for it.
This is not theory, or conjecture, but demonstrated by experiment, from experience. Our experience of matter shows us that it is sustained by something inside empty space. Non-locality is a fact.
So how do we connect with this "NoThing"?
Alfven makes the point about scalability. He says that plasma experiments can be scaled up, what works small works big. A lot of work is being done in the basements with plasma too, Why? Why do these fellows close themselves up in the shadows of their dark basement? They are looking for "Free energy" Most of these hane been labeled as cranks. (so says Kuhn) but some of them are for real. Morey B King is an engineer, and writes about the quest for Zero Point Energy. King writes from the bench so to speak. Seems that many are trying to use plasma to create free energy. That is, as King puts it, to tap into the ZPE. Why Plasma? Because plasma can create over-unity energies.
Plasma experiments on a small scale indicate that certain configurations demonstrate excess or "free" energy suspected of coming from the ZPE. King shows us pictures of torodial plasma which has this ability to focus and focus and focus the plasma flow such that the protons extract energy from the ZPE. This energy looks to us to be anomalous. Ordinary physics does not explain it.
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I found this in King's book Quest for Zero Point Energy."
also from
sciencematters.berkeley.edu/archives/volume1/issue7/story2.php
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Solar flares are produced by the sun's massive magnetic fields. Those fields are commonly seen as sunspots, "active regions" where the solar magnetic field may be several thousand times that of the Earth. As those magnetic fields twist like tightly-coiled springs, the tension eventually becomes too much and they snap, spewing the charged particles that make up a solar flare.
The RHESSI Imaging Spectrometer contains nine germanium detectors that are positioned behind the nine grid pairs on the telescope. The detectors convert incoming x-rays and gamma-rays to pulses of electric current. The amount of current is proportional to the energy of the photon, and is measured by sensitive electronics designed at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the Space Sciences Lab., Berkeley. (NASA photo)
Before last year's observations, solar physicists expected that the accelerated ions and electrons would be seen along the same magnetic pathways. Both gamma rays and x-rays, the scientists believed, should originate from the feet of massive loops that arch hundreds of thousands of miles across the surface of the star. However, once RHESSI's data made it home, the scientists were pleasantly surprised.
"What we found is that the electrons and ions were separated by tens of thousands of kilometers," Lin says. "We don't completely understand why that's the case, but it suggests that the particles are accelerated in different ways."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"><hr noshade size="1">
Plasma, for those people who work with it on a very small scale, produces anomalous extra heat. If that can be done in a basement, imagine what can be done in a star?
It should be noted that the plasma ball shown above in the picture, has been seen in many different situations. It would be a mistake to assign eveything to plasma, it is important to know what plasma does explain and where it stops. But there are many strange things going on that can be expland by the idea of a plasma ball. Balls of lightning have been observed emerging from earthquake fissures. These balls of light have been seen coming off contacts in a submarine, and floating down the passageway. They strange thing so far is the persistence of the ball of light. Balls of light have been seen around crop circles, a farmer was video taped watching one fly over his head. Crop circles, when analyzed by scientists, evidence extreme but brief heating, the drying of sooil, the elongation of nodes, the crystalization of clay, trhe fusion of iron onto plant structure, the fusion of fly wings to the plant, the increase of nitrites, all can be explained if the ball of light is a plasma ball. If there are hundreds of sightings of balls of Light around certain crop circles, there are thousands of sightings of UFO's all over the place. And the one thing that seems to me as common, are balls of light. Plasma Balls?
Tiny Suns that crop up all over the place driving us nuts.
Opps, back to the subject. Where were we, oh, redshift. Redshift, change in wavelength, change in energy level. Let's see, Photon moves for billions of years, does not show change in energy. Billions of years, does not change energy; so change of energy means billions of years?
The Asylium? Did I spell that right? Of course, in order to condust a modern study of light we need to consider the all the data and all the data includes, in Tom's words, the Asylium.
Question: What would light be, it there was nothing in its way?
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Originally posted by Tommy
I see clearly how the electric-magnetic aspects of astrophysics is being ignored.
It is not so much that plasma physics is being ignored in astrophysics, but that there are flaws in the corresponding theories of plasmas that lead to errors of judgement regarding the relevant physics involved.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Seems like there are always many theories, and eventually the right one emerges. The flaws get ironed out. I didn't mean that plasma is ignored in astrophysics, I meant outside of astrophysics it is unheard of. Took me a long time to find out there was something like plasma in cosmology. And I was looking...I don't see it as an alternative to the Big Bang theory though. There is no comparison. Plasma cosmology is more like a complementary to Gravitation. Big Bangers are shooting themselves in the foot by ignoring electromagnetic effects on stars.
There is an energy source INSIDE empty apace. Puthoff (1987) shows us that the ground state of the electron sustains it's radiative energies by taking up an equal energy from the source what he called the ZPE, what Planck called the ZPE what many call the Dirac Sea, what others call the quantum vacuum. This source is also inside the empty space of an atom. It is not outside in space like physical matter and fields are, as if you could touch it, or measure it, it is within our space. Some would say it is in another higher dimension. Reinman called it the fifth dimension. Maxwell thought it was the ether. It is "inside" every atom, every star, and it is inside us. It is a ground dimension. It is hyperspace. I simply think of it as INSIDE space, and let it go at that.
Of course you could, I suppose, if you please, hold to the view that every moving bit of inert matter carries around its own personal battery...
Think about it, an electron in orbit has magnetic momentum, this means it is moving and while it is moving it is radiating radiation and it does this all the time. So where is this energy coming from? THe standard answer, I love these kinds, was that the electron couldn't fall out of its orbit. Well, it is these fields that atoms use to couple. It is the electron fields of atoms that form the molecules from the elements. All elements, all molecules, all matter for that matter, is these interacting electron fields. And these fields are fed their sustaining energies from you make up a name for it.
This is not theory, or conjecture, but demonstrated by experiment, from experience. Our experience of matter shows us that it is sustained by something inside empty space. Non-locality is a fact.
So how do we connect with this "NoThing"?
Alfven makes the point about scalability. He says that plasma experiments can be scaled up, what works small works big. A lot of work is being done in the basements with plasma too, Why? Why do these fellows close themselves up in the shadows of their dark basement? They are looking for "Free energy" Most of these hane been labeled as cranks. (so says Kuhn) but some of them are for real. Morey B King is an engineer, and writes about the quest for Zero Point Energy. King writes from the bench so to speak. Seems that many are trying to use plasma to create free energy. That is, as King puts it, to tap into the ZPE. Why Plasma? Because plasma can create over-unity energies.
Plasma experiments on a small scale indicate that certain configurations demonstrate excess or "free" energy suspected of coming from the ZPE. King shows us pictures of torodial plasma which has this ability to focus and focus and focus the plasma flow such that the protons extract energy from the ZPE. This energy looks to us to be anomalous. Ordinary physics does not explain it.
<center>
I found this in King's book Quest for Zero Point Energy."
also from
sciencematters.berkeley.edu/archives/volume1/issue7/story2.php
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Solar flares are produced by the sun's massive magnetic fields. Those fields are commonly seen as sunspots, "active regions" where the solar magnetic field may be several thousand times that of the Earth. As those magnetic fields twist like tightly-coiled springs, the tension eventually becomes too much and they snap, spewing the charged particles that make up a solar flare.
The RHESSI Imaging Spectrometer contains nine germanium detectors that are positioned behind the nine grid pairs on the telescope. The detectors convert incoming x-rays and gamma-rays to pulses of electric current. The amount of current is proportional to the energy of the photon, and is measured by sensitive electronics designed at the Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory and the Space Sciences Lab., Berkeley. (NASA photo)
Before last year's observations, solar physicists expected that the accelerated ions and electrons would be seen along the same magnetic pathways. Both gamma rays and x-rays, the scientists believed, should originate from the feet of massive loops that arch hundreds of thousands of miles across the surface of the star. However, once RHESSI's data made it home, the scientists were pleasantly surprised.
"What we found is that the electrons and ions were separated by tens of thousands of kilometers," Lin says. "We don't completely understand why that's the case, but it suggests that the particles are accelerated in different ways."<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"><hr noshade size="1">
Plasma, for those people who work with it on a very small scale, produces anomalous extra heat. If that can be done in a basement, imagine what can be done in a star?
It should be noted that the plasma ball shown above in the picture, has been seen in many different situations. It would be a mistake to assign eveything to plasma, it is important to know what plasma does explain and where it stops. But there are many strange things going on that can be expland by the idea of a plasma ball. Balls of lightning have been observed emerging from earthquake fissures. These balls of light have been seen coming off contacts in a submarine, and floating down the passageway. They strange thing so far is the persistence of the ball of light. Balls of light have been seen around crop circles, a farmer was video taped watching one fly over his head. Crop circles, when analyzed by scientists, evidence extreme but brief heating, the drying of sooil, the elongation of nodes, the crystalization of clay, trhe fusion of iron onto plant structure, the fusion of fly wings to the plant, the increase of nitrites, all can be explained if the ball of light is a plasma ball. If there are hundreds of sightings of balls of Light around certain crop circles, there are thousands of sightings of UFO's all over the place. And the one thing that seems to me as common, are balls of light. Plasma Balls?
Tiny Suns that crop up all over the place driving us nuts.
Opps, back to the subject. Where were we, oh, redshift. Redshift, change in wavelength, change in energy level. Let's see, Photon moves for billions of years, does not show change in energy. Billions of years, does not change energy; so change of energy means billions of years?
The Asylium? Did I spell that right? Of course, in order to condust a modern study of light we need to consider the all the data and all the data includes, in Tom's words, the Asylium.
Question: What would light be, it there was nothing in its way?
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