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Quantized redshift anomaly
18 years 10 months ago #17098
by JMB
Replied by JMB on topic Reply from Jacques Moret-Bailly
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I never heard about quantized red shift observations so I'm the dummy here. But, I have just read some stuff that indicates obeservation of this type is not reproduced by anyone and the topic is bogus.
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The quantization of redshift was found by Tifft, from observations. A lot of other authors studied it from the observations too (look, for instance a paper from Bell & Comeau, on arxiv.org, other papers of these authors, cited papers).
Using the CREIL, it is easily showed that the propagation of a continuous spectrum rich in far UV generates a line spectrum in which the relative frequency shifts are combinations of the shifts which bring the Lyman beta and gamma to the Lyman alpha, these shifts being 3*0.062 and 4*0.062 respectively. 0.062 is the shift periodicity observed in the quasars and galaxies. This 1% coincidence and the fact that anomalous redshifts appear where the path of the light crosses regions containing H I in states 2S, 2P is a proof that the largest part of the redshifts is produced by a CREIL effect in excited atomic hydrogen.
I never heard about quantized red shift observations so I'm the dummy here. But, I have just read some stuff that indicates obeservation of this type is not reproduced by anyone and the topic is bogus.
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The quantization of redshift was found by Tifft, from observations. A lot of other authors studied it from the observations too (look, for instance a paper from Bell & Comeau, on arxiv.org, other papers of these authors, cited papers).
Using the CREIL, it is easily showed that the propagation of a continuous spectrum rich in far UV generates a line spectrum in which the relative frequency shifts are combinations of the shifts which bring the Lyman beta and gamma to the Lyman alpha, these shifts being 3*0.062 and 4*0.062 respectively. 0.062 is the shift periodicity observed in the quasars and galaxies. This 1% coincidence and the fact that anomalous redshifts appear where the path of the light crosses regions containing H I in states 2S, 2P is a proof that the largest part of the redshifts is produced by a CREIL effect in excited atomic hydrogen.
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18 years 10 months ago #16974
by Harry
Replied by Harry on topic Reply from Harry Costas
Hello JMB
see links
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/redshift.htm
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research
www.physicsmyths.org.uk/
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/
ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/explode.htm
www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/astr/...85/00000002/05138613
www.setterfield.org/staticu.html
www.ldolphin.org/tifftshift.html
www.setterfield.org/Redshift.htm#new53103
www.setterfield.org/homecopy.htm
archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/CosmolCrisis.html
Most evidence needs to be tested under new light.
Within 6 months of this year we shall see great changes in the way people think about the universe.
Have Nice Day
Harry
see links
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research/redshift.htm
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/research
www.physicsmyths.org.uk/
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/
ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/dp5/explode.htm
www.ingentaconnect.com/content/klu/astr/...85/00000002/05138613
www.setterfield.org/staticu.html
www.ldolphin.org/tifftshift.html
www.setterfield.org/Redshift.htm#new53103
www.setterfield.org/homecopy.htm
archive.ncsa.uiuc.edu/Cyberia/Cosmos/CosmolCrisis.html
Most evidence needs to be tested under new light.
Within 6 months of this year we shall see great changes in the way people think about the universe.
Have Nice Day
Harry
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18 years 10 months ago #16884
by Jim
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Hi JMB, There is a language problem here that I did not see when I last posted on this topic. The concentration of objects in narrow ranges of "Z" is what you are calling "quantified redshift" and this is not really observed as far as I can tell. When I posted my last comment I thought you were refering to something else which would have been of interest if you had a link to post.
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18 years 10 months ago #17286
by Tommy
Replied by Tommy on topic Reply from Thomas Mandel
This is a significant paper on molecular hygrogen, redshift and dark matter.
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Found at www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hydrogen/
<center>Published in 21st CENTURY Science & Technology, Spring 2000, Pages 5 - 7
Discovery of H2, in Space
Explains Dark Matter and Redshift
by Paul Marmet </center>
"In papers published about a decade ago, the author and colleagues predicted the widespread presence of hydrogen in the molecular (H2) form in space (Marmet and Reber 1989; Marmet 1990a,b). Although hydrogen in the atomic form is easily detected through radioastronomy, the molecular form is difficult to detect. We showed that the presence of this missing mass would explain the anomalous rotational motion observed in galaxies, which is otherwise explained by exotic hypotheses, such as swarms of invisible brown or white dwarfs, or weird atomic particles called WIMPs or axions, and "quark nuggets."
We also showed that the presence of large amounts of the hard-to-detect molecular hydrogen in interstellar space could provide an alternative explanation to the Big Bang theory, by explaining the observed redshift as a result of the delayed propagation of light through space, caused by the collision of photons with interstellar matter.
The more commonly held view explains the observed shift in frequency of the spectral lines detected from distant galaxies as arising from a Doppler shift (a shift in the frequency of a wave caused by the relative motion of the emitting object and the observer). The downshift in the frequency, toward the red end of the spectrum, is taken to mean that distant galaxies are receding from us, thus implying an expanding universe.
Our prediction, based on a critique of many of the commonly held assumptions of cosmology, was the result of a serious study of the molecular structure of hydrogen and of the astronomical observation of atomic hydrogen in space. However, the astrophysicists preferred to ignore H2, and instead to hypothesize the existence of weird objects."
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It is worthwhile to cite the conclusions of this paper -- The Doppler interpretation of the redshift is a variation of the Creationist theory, since it claims that the universe was created from nothing, 15 billion years ago, with a sudden Big Bang.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> "We know that the H2 molecule produces about the same (non-Doppler) redshift as monoatomic hydrogen, but the number of H2 molecules is much larger. Because atomic and molecular hydrogen have an approximately homogenous distribution in the universe, this induces a non-Doppler redshift, which is proportional to the distance of the light source (just as for an apparently expanding universe, assumed with a Doppler interpretation).
The recent discovery of an enormous quantity of molecular hydrogen not only solves the problem of missing mass; it also solves the problem of the redshift, in a non-expanding unlimited universe. The Doppler interpretation of the redshift is a variation of the Creationist theory, since it claims that the universe was created from nothing, 15 billion years ago, with a sudden Big Bang. Since a much larger amount of molecular hydrogen than previously admitted has been observed in the universe, we can now see how this hydrogen is responsible for the redshift observed. That molecular hydrogen is responsible for the redshift which is erroneously believed to have a cosmological Doppler origin." <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
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Found at www.newtonphysics.on.ca/hydrogen/
<center>Published in 21st CENTURY Science & Technology, Spring 2000, Pages 5 - 7
Discovery of H2, in Space
Explains Dark Matter and Redshift
by Paul Marmet </center>
"In papers published about a decade ago, the author and colleagues predicted the widespread presence of hydrogen in the molecular (H2) form in space (Marmet and Reber 1989; Marmet 1990a,b). Although hydrogen in the atomic form is easily detected through radioastronomy, the molecular form is difficult to detect. We showed that the presence of this missing mass would explain the anomalous rotational motion observed in galaxies, which is otherwise explained by exotic hypotheses, such as swarms of invisible brown or white dwarfs, or weird atomic particles called WIMPs or axions, and "quark nuggets."
We also showed that the presence of large amounts of the hard-to-detect molecular hydrogen in interstellar space could provide an alternative explanation to the Big Bang theory, by explaining the observed redshift as a result of the delayed propagation of light through space, caused by the collision of photons with interstellar matter.
The more commonly held view explains the observed shift in frequency of the spectral lines detected from distant galaxies as arising from a Doppler shift (a shift in the frequency of a wave caused by the relative motion of the emitting object and the observer). The downshift in the frequency, toward the red end of the spectrum, is taken to mean that distant galaxies are receding from us, thus implying an expanding universe.
Our prediction, based on a critique of many of the commonly held assumptions of cosmology, was the result of a serious study of the molecular structure of hydrogen and of the astronomical observation of atomic hydrogen in space. However, the astrophysicists preferred to ignore H2, and instead to hypothesize the existence of weird objects."
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
It is worthwhile to cite the conclusions of this paper -- The Doppler interpretation of the redshift is a variation of the Creationist theory, since it claims that the universe was created from nothing, 15 billion years ago, with a sudden Big Bang.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> "We know that the H2 molecule produces about the same (non-Doppler) redshift as monoatomic hydrogen, but the number of H2 molecules is much larger. Because atomic and molecular hydrogen have an approximately homogenous distribution in the universe, this induces a non-Doppler redshift, which is proportional to the distance of the light source (just as for an apparently expanding universe, assumed with a Doppler interpretation).
The recent discovery of an enormous quantity of molecular hydrogen not only solves the problem of missing mass; it also solves the problem of the redshift, in a non-expanding unlimited universe. The Doppler interpretation of the redshift is a variation of the Creationist theory, since it claims that the universe was created from nothing, 15 billion years ago, with a sudden Big Bang. Since a much larger amount of molecular hydrogen than previously admitted has been observed in the universe, we can now see how this hydrogen is responsible for the redshift observed. That molecular hydrogen is responsible for the redshift which is erroneously believed to have a cosmological Doppler origin." <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
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18 years 10 months ago #17099
by Harry
Replied by Harry on topic Reply from Harry Costas
Tommy you are a busy boy
Hydrogen molecule most interesting
Harry
Hydrogen molecule most interesting
Harry
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18 years 10 months ago #16890
by Jim
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Can you say anything about the density of intergalatic space(IGM) now that the hydrogen molecule has been observed there? Does the IGM now get more dense and if so by how much?
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