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20 years 10 months ago #8321
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Hi GD, If the atom is organized energy then is it energy that has entropy? Are you saying entrophy is a property of energy? Maybe I should ask what entrophy is? Can you describe entrophy?
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20 years 10 months ago #8080
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Entropy is a measure of the disorder of a system.
I've also seen this definition: As energy is used, it's availability decreases (with time) and the system's disorder increases (with time).
If organized energy transforms into disorganized energy, then this is entropy in the making.
Here is an internet link showing the different energy states (entropy) of the hydrogen atom:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom
You will notice that the atom is still much organized on these pictures, but these transformations must happen by releasing some energy !
Now imagine the hydrogen atom in the sun for example: is this not the ultimate energy state when it actually transforms completely into disorganized energy ?
I've also seen this definition: As energy is used, it's availability decreases (with time) and the system's disorder increases (with time).
If organized energy transforms into disorganized energy, then this is entropy in the making.
Here is an internet link showing the different energy states (entropy) of the hydrogen atom:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_atom
You will notice that the atom is still much organized on these pictures, but these transformations must happen by releasing some energy !
Now imagine the hydrogen atom in the sun for example: is this not the ultimate energy state when it actually transforms completely into disorganized energy ?
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20 years 9 months ago #8082
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From what you have so far I would predict disorganized energy is the end result of the atom. Is this how you see things? How much of that is now in the universe? How much is being produced as we speak?
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20 years 9 months ago #8087
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This is only speculation, but yes I think this is the ultimate fate of the atom in billions of years. By then the universe should be accelerated to close to the speed of light...before the next Big Bang.
The centers of galaxies are churning up a substantial amount of matter into energy. The question is: are stars forming at the edge of these galaxies counterbalancing this action?
If it is proven that the universe is accelerating, is this not proof that there is an imbalance between matter and energy?
If a system accelerates, is there not less energy for that system?
If this theory is correct, then the following would be true:
- conservation of mass and conservation of energy are the same thing (matter is energy).
- terms like: gravity, potential difference, pressure, and entropy would also mean the same.
Our conception of the atom has changed constantly over the past hundred years. Everytime this understanding did not match our observations of the universe, then the theories got more complicated. From this we diversified in different fields such as: quantum electrodynamics, quantum physics, nuclear chemistry, nuclear physics, when actually we should of unified these fields and simplified our comprehension of the atom.
I think all these different subjects could fit nicely under one topic: the entropy of the atom.
The centers of galaxies are churning up a substantial amount of matter into energy. The question is: are stars forming at the edge of these galaxies counterbalancing this action?
If it is proven that the universe is accelerating, is this not proof that there is an imbalance between matter and energy?
If a system accelerates, is there not less energy for that system?
If this theory is correct, then the following would be true:
- conservation of mass and conservation of energy are the same thing (matter is energy).
- terms like: gravity, potential difference, pressure, and entropy would also mean the same.
Our conception of the atom has changed constantly over the past hundred years. Everytime this understanding did not match our observations of the universe, then the theories got more complicated. From this we diversified in different fields such as: quantum electrodynamics, quantum physics, nuclear chemistry, nuclear physics, when actually we should of unified these fields and simplified our comprehension of the atom.
I think all these different subjects could fit nicely under one topic: the entropy of the atom.
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20 years 9 months ago #8382
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Because entrophy increases as the temperature rises(if the other parameters are constant) how hot can an atom get and still gain more entrophy? An atom at zero kelvin has zero entrophy so how hot is it at whatever the highest entrophy is? And what is the limit of entrophy?
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20 years 9 months ago #8104
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The electromagnetic spectrum (the amount of energy the atom emits)should give us a good idea of the temperature range that exists in our universe.
In order to convert peak wavelengths into temperature, this could be done by using "Wien's Law".
The technicality of the physics involved in this subject is above me.
I am trying to bring about new ideas, the proof of which will have to come from someone else.
The limit of entropy is when all atoms have coverted into disorganized energy.
The highest emission of energy from an atom is gamma radiation.Therefore this must be the highest temperature.
I found this (unverified) quote from Einstein:
"An atom absorbs or emits light of a frequency which is dependent on the potential of the gravitational field in which it is situated."
This would imply that gamma radiation is emitted from a very low potential field, or very high gravity (entropy) region of space (usually from the center of very massive bodies).
In order to convert peak wavelengths into temperature, this could be done by using "Wien's Law".
The technicality of the physics involved in this subject is above me.
I am trying to bring about new ideas, the proof of which will have to come from someone else.
The limit of entropy is when all atoms have coverted into disorganized energy.
The highest emission of energy from an atom is gamma radiation.Therefore this must be the highest temperature.
I found this (unverified) quote from Einstein:
"An atom absorbs or emits light of a frequency which is dependent on the potential of the gravitational field in which it is situated."
This would imply that gamma radiation is emitted from a very low potential field, or very high gravity (entropy) region of space (usually from the center of very massive bodies).
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