A nice little gravitational anomaly

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22 years 3 months ago #3030 by Jim
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You can say that the Newtonian system is violated and be proven wrong since it is misplaced gravity centers that cause this problem. Every particle in these rings is contributing to the overall effect. To use a common gravity center for all effects gets the wrong result.

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22 years 3 months ago #2677 by Youjaes
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I don't know what you mean by 'misplaced gravity centers'. Would you like to explain yourself a bit further?

James

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22 years 3 months ago #2700 by AgoraBasta
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I don't know what you mean by 'misplaced gravity centers'. Would you like to explain yourself a bit further?

James
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I'm not Jim, but there's nothing to explain. The smallest fraction dust in that ring acts like a gas providing viscous friction, thus transfers momentum and angular velocity throughout the ring. Mind also that, "gas" is "hotter" at the outer rim due to "buoyancy". (remember - hot air goes up, he-he-he) Anything out of synchronicity either obeys or has to leave.
If you insist on any esoteric explanation, please disprove the above self-evident one first.

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22 years 3 months ago #2757 by Youjaes
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I'm not Jim, but there's nothing to explain. The smallest fraction dust in that ring acts like a gas providing viscous friction, thus transfers momentum and angular velocity throughout the ring. Mind also that, "gas" is "hotter" at the outer rim due to "buoyancy". (remember - hot air goes up, he-he-he) Anything out of synchronicity either obeys or has to leave.
If you insist on any esoteric explanation, please disprove the above self-evident one first.
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You make it too easy. First, bouyancy requires pressure, and guess what? There isn't any. The region above and below the ring plane is a vacuum. In addition, the ring plane is inclined to the sun, giving practically uniform solar radiation, so a temperature gradient from this source is negligible. So, would you like to try again? And by the way, since when is an esoteric explanation a crime?

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22 years 3 months ago #2758 by AgoraBasta
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You make it too easy.
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I'm not making anything here. It IS easy and simple. The "gas" was used as an analogy only. Statistically, the ring appears exactly as a viscous medium for the rocks constituting it. There is internal friction from mechanical scattering and from the mutual gravitation of the rocks of the ring. So it locks in near perfect synchronicity. There's completely nothing anomalous here, niente, nada, zilch!

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22 years 3 months ago #2701 by Jim
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If you want to get into the heat thing there is the "hot air" forum. I mean by "misplaced gravity centers" that modeling or math is done on the assumption the mass center of a system is the center of gravity when in fact there are many bodies in a system all contributing to the overall effect from different centers.

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