The entropy of systems

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17 years 10 months ago #19363 by GD
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<br />The coma galaxy cluster actually contains 30, 000 plus galaxies. The article is just talking about the 1000 elepticals in the cluster.

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The link I posted showed the central region of the cluster.
The central region is at a higher entropy than the rest of the cluster.
I will post another article concerning the central region of the Perseus cluster.
I would like you to tell me if anybody in those galaxies are discussing the fate of the universe over a cup of tea.

chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2005/perseus/

I don't agree that temperature (increase or decrease) is only the result of the interactions or speed of molecules.
I think the main reason is the entropy variation of these molecules or atoms.

Do you see the speed/energy/entropy variations between:

-An atom's nucleus and its electrons?
-A solar system's sun and its planets?
-the central region of a galaxy and the rest of the galaxy?
-the central region of a cluster of galaxies and all the other galaxies?

..... do you see a pattern......

What can cause this if everything is in equilibrium?

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17 years 10 months ago #19281 by Stoat
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I think that article has far too much gosh wowery for my liking. The gas envelope round a cluster of galaxies does have billions of solar masses but it is extremely diffuse. I would expect it to have about one atom per ten cubic metres, avery good vacuum in other words.

It would be at the boundary of this gas that i would expect atoms to ingest their orbital electrons and give off a whole slough of x rays and gamma rays. Actually this idea is down to Milikan. The boundary gas shell will then have a higher radio temperature. Something that could be checked by limb analysis, if people think to look for it.

Now, galaxies themselves are extremely diffuse but galaxy clusters should be seen as extremely viscous liquids. It's my hunch that this has a bearing on the behavior of the spiral galaxy's core jet.

Here we hit a major snag as I've yet to see a good explanation of the cause and mechanism of a super black hole's jet. Entire suns are s*****ed down and thrown off in a tight beam of particles, at the speed of light [8D] Where has the relativistic mass increase gone? How is this going to produce sound shock waves through the gas around the axis of the galaxy? I'm inclined to believe that the jet velocity is nowhere near the speed of light. So, does the viscous nature of the cluster somehow control the velocity of the jets of super black holes? Are there super black holes for that matter?

Anyway, when people have a read of that article, bear in mind that the temperatures refered to are radio tempertures. The tea drinkers of the cluster are safe [:D][8D]

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17 years 10 months ago #18471 by Stoat
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Oh, a sudden idea on superblack holes. let's say that this massive object spins fater than the speed of light. its mass doesn't become negative but the refractive index of its space does. Then between the "imaginary" and real part fo space there is an incredible shear. That's heat, the heat isn't dumped into our bit of space so it has to go into the other part. This lwould locally reduce the rigidity of the visco elastic ether.I think we'd get slower faster than light gravitons emerging from a superblack hole.

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17 years 10 months ago #18457 by GD
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<i>Originally posted by Stoat</i>
<br />...The gas envelope round a cluster of galaxies does have billions of solar masses but it is extremely diffuse. I would expect it to have about one atom per ten cubic metres, ...

GD:
Today's physics shows the atom as indestructible. Where is the missing mass of such massive objects?

Stoat:
Anyway, when people have a read of that article, bear in mind that the temperatures refered to are radio tempertures. The tea drinkers of the cluster are safe [:D][8D]


GD:
What is heat? How is it produced?
At 100 million degrees, I would say the tea drinkers wished they were here on Earth!

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17 years 10 months ago #18459 by GD
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<br />Oh, a sudden idea on superblack holes. let's say that this massive object spins fater than the speed of light. its mass doesn't become negative but the refractive index of its space does. Then between the "imaginary" and real part fo space there is an incredible shear. That's heat, the heat isn't dumped into our bit of space so it has to go into the other part. This lwould locally reduce the rigidity of the visco elastic ether.I think we'd get slower faster than light gravitons emerging from a superblack hole.
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Sorry, I can't agree with this. Heat is not an imaginary thing.

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17 years 10 months ago #18460 by Stoat
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The gas has millions of solar masses but it's spread out into a huge volume. The gas will be a better vacuum than the best vacuum we can create on earth. Unless, you are asking about the supposed dark matter and dark energy.

That article is bad in that it doesn't explain that we are talking radio temperatures. A for instace of this, the earth has a much higher temperature than the sun at the frequencies associated with television broadcasting.

"Imaginary" is used in the sense of complex roots. It's unfortunate that we say "real" and "imaginary" solutions but it's just one of those things [:)]

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