The entropy of systems

I don't know GD, I get the distinct impression that no one is reading this. We're firmly in the "crisis of physics" landscape here but I don't see any sign that we're trampling on any toes. [8D] So that has to mean that nobody's home.

One last try though. Let's say that an electron's mass is converted totally into energy. Then we have 8.187E-14 joules. Then let's assume that the speed of gravity takes a contracted form. Then the "1" in the Lorenzian stays"1" but is now the speed of gravity squared over the speed of gravity squared i.e. "1." Then the energy of this electron disappearing would be 1.616E 08 Joules. Let's call the speed of gravity "B" and I've taken it to be pi times 10 billion times c. So I get e = 2MB^2 This energy would be dumped into complex space. This energy would be available to any electron to draw on to enable it to conserve its state. That has to be a pretty controvercial comment [][8D] Though I think Hal Puthoff would say, yeah, this is the "real" zpe energy in a cup of coffee.

Changing subject, the atom is in a space of absolute zero temperature. It tears itself apart in its battle against entropy, by a process of k capture. This is where an electron in the k shell, the innermost, has no recourse but to plunge into the nucleus. This turns a proton into a neutron.

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<br />I don't know GD, I get the distinct impression that no one is reading this. We're firmly in the "crisis of physics" landscape here but I don't see any sign that we're trampling on any toes. [8D] So that has to mean that nobody's home.
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GD: That's because we came to the conclusion that the tea drinkers (in the previous post) were safe.
I am not 100% sure of this.

Concerning radio temperatures, I found a link giving temperatures of the sun at 4.6 Ghz wave length
www.nrao.edu/imagegallery/php/level3.php?id=506
I don’t know at what wave length the temperatures of the central region of the cluster of galaxies were taken at, but it seems that the sun is cooler in comparison.
I will need to look further into this.

Stoat:
Changing subject, the atom is in a space of absolute zero temperature. It tears itself apart in its battle against entropy, by a process of k capture. This is where an electron in the k shell, the innermost, has no recourse but to plunge into the nucleus. This turns a proton into a neutron.

GD:
If the speed of the electrons were forced to slow down, this would have the same effect. The more bonds atoms have, the less available energy they have (this is a fact which I documented quite a few posts ago).
This idea of less available energy with time (or distance) in a mass seems to correspond to what I see : the spiral shape of a galaxy, the clustering of galaxies, the evolution of a star and its motion in a galaxy, the depletion of mass towards the center of a galaxy.
At the proximity of a blackhole, the available energy of the atom has fallen to its lowest, and when it is about to reach zero (the entropy curve you are talking about), it is expelled at approx. the speed of light in the central jet of the galaxy. (this would agree with energy conservation)
What is thought as massive (central region of a galaxy) is actually very little available energy.

Do you see that energy is conserved, but not mass?

Stoat:
"I don't know GD, I get the distinct impression that no one is reading this."

Not so...

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On the speed of gravity, the Meta Model only places a lower limit of 20 billion c, with no upper limit bar infinity.
My analysis is that the speed of gravity only influences physics when very heavy bodies are in a very tight orbit.

It may very well be that the speed of gravity varies in different regions of space. Saying B = Pi * c * 10^10 sounds a bit like numerology to me.

I found some more on temperatures within clusters:

hea-www.harvard.edu/~maxim/papers/rhalos_tmaps/rhalos_tmaps.pdf

I am going to take a few days to read ...

(you need to type: "http//hea-" in front of the link so that it works)

Okay GD, i'll give those a read and get back to you. That frequency is in the upper UHF band, about a tenth of a metre wavelength. The Earth is hotter than the sun at this wavelength at the moment but as we all cable up that will fall. No way can we pick out one star from a cluster and say much about it.

On black holes, Einstein didn't like them, he would have hated the idea of black hole jets even more. We know that protostars emmit jets but I've yet to see a good explanation of how matter from the accretion disk is moved.

Michiel, If the universe is a viscoelastic then pi will show up in any calculations of phase transition. If we think of the faster than light graviton as a phonon, then I would expect to see resonances. A viscoelastic has both wave and particle properties, as it's neither a solid nor a liquid. If we take the old "Luxon Wall" idea and change it to the "Phonon Wall," then we get rid of the very idea of negative mass and replace it with a space that can take a negative refractive index. This Phonon Wall is not "out there" somewhere, it permeates every atom of our bodies, it regulates all quantum states. The energy available to it is truly immense.

(edited) Note, I left the M as a capital letter, because Einstein has M' - M = m this is the increase in mass due to motion. However with a much faster than light graviton space we might as well say that it's M' - 0 for light speed. In this universe, if wee accelerate an electron to the speed of light, there is the tiniest of increase in mass but what we have to do is throw almost an infinity of energy into the other part of space. Actually we are in the "imaginary" part of the universe, the "real" part is the bit with tremendous rigidity. I've left it all back to front, as it were, because it's easier to do the sums.

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On black holes, Einstein didn't like them, he would have hated the idea of black hole jets even more. We know that protostars emmit jets but I've yet to see a good explanation of how matter from the accretion disk is moved.
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That's because Einstein did not have the trove of information we now have.
I think ALL live galaxies have high energy particle jets at their center. (dead galaxies are the ones at the center of clusters where disorder disrupts the normal energy flow)
This is how matter CONVERTS into energy (it is not moved without being altered)
Please see this example:
imagine.gsfc.nasa.gov/docs/features/news/14mar00.html

For the previous article, the graphs at the bottom of the page shows electron volt temperature scales: 1 keV = 11,605,000 Kelvin.
I don't think anybody could survive this hell.