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19 years 10 months ago #11873
by GD
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />GD, This detail has nothing to do with Einstien or entrophy-it is a simple blackbody problem anybody can solve. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
So Jim, tell me WHY the interior is hot then.
<br />GD, This detail has nothing to do with Einstien or entrophy-it is a simple blackbody problem anybody can solve. <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
So Jim, tell me WHY the interior is hot then.
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19 years 10 months ago #11874
by GD
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br /> Can you use them to get a heat flux?
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Jim, I will have to do more reading.
<br /> Can you use them to get a heat flux?
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Jim, I will have to do more reading.
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19 years 10 months ago #11002
by Jim
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Gd, I don't know why the interior is hot but I think there is an unknown type of nuclear reaction causing this to be so. The main points are (A)no body knows and (B)the geothermal flux is grossly underestimated. And there are other important details about the interior of Earth that should be studied.
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19 years 10 months ago #11921
by brantc
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Well, Venus is closer to the Sun, so maybe its deeper in the heliospheric current sheet and it glows harder(greater current flow). Maybe because its closer to the sun it has a greater "atheric/ZPE/torsion/gravity/electromagnetic field spinning stress" factor. Maybe its a relativly "new" planet(just hatched). Maybe because it spins in the Suns torsion field, it has more etherons. Whatever. I doubt it has anything to do with classical nuclear reactions.
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19 years 10 months ago #11885
by GD
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I think nuclear reaction of the atom in the center of the Earth or even the center of Venus happens because the atom is unstable in those locations.
As we have already mentioned before, the position of the atom in a mass is important: atoms with more bonds have less free energy than those with less bonds.
<b>This is what Gravity is about.</b>
Venus' higher heat flow from the interior is directly imputed to this: -its position in the solar system.
I am assuming that the solar system is moving towards the ecliptic of the galaxy. This region is at a higher entropy state.
This is the reason why temperatures (for all atoms in the solar system)will increase gradually until the solar system crosses this region after which cooling will be the trend.
WHAT ELSE CAN THIS BE ATTRIBUTED TO ?
There were no Co2 emitting industrial factories 500 000 years ago on Earth for past warming and cooling cycles!
There are no factories on Venus either !
Jim, I have found some interesting information on heat flows for which recent data was taken from bore holes. These indicate a long term warming trend which started prior to industrialization:
www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~shaopeng/2004GL019781.pdf
You might question the information taken before the 1900's. Maybe we will have to wait another few 100 years in order to get reliable info.
....I know I won't be around to see this, because the atoms in my body are also affected by time (therefore position).
As we have already mentioned before, the position of the atom in a mass is important: atoms with more bonds have less free energy than those with less bonds.
<b>This is what Gravity is about.</b>
Venus' higher heat flow from the interior is directly imputed to this: -its position in the solar system.
I am assuming that the solar system is moving towards the ecliptic of the galaxy. This region is at a higher entropy state.
This is the reason why temperatures (for all atoms in the solar system)will increase gradually until the solar system crosses this region after which cooling will be the trend.
WHAT ELSE CAN THIS BE ATTRIBUTED TO ?
There were no Co2 emitting industrial factories 500 000 years ago on Earth for past warming and cooling cycles!
There are no factories on Venus either !
Jim, I have found some interesting information on heat flows for which recent data was taken from bore holes. These indicate a long term warming trend which started prior to industrialization:
www.geo.lsa.umich.edu/~shaopeng/2004GL019781.pdf
You might question the information taken before the 1900's. Maybe we will have to wait another few 100 years in order to get reliable info.
....I know I won't be around to see this, because the atoms in my body are also affected by time (therefore position).
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19 years 10 months ago #11886
by Thomas
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The notion of Energy (conservation) is a concept from classical mechanics that can, contrary to the established view, in general not be applied to radiative (i.e. quantum mechanical) processes (see my page regarding
Energy and Momentum Conservation
).
There is for instance evidence that the intensity of spectral lines can be much larger than given by the Bohr-Einstein radiation formula E=h*<i>ν</i> if the line is collisionally broadened (see my paper www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/papers/airglow2.htm Chpt. 3.4).
Furthermore, this effect could also explain the radiative output of the sun solely through electronic processes in the solar atmosphere (see also my Coronal Heating page in this context).
www.physicsmyths.org.uk
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk
There is for instance evidence that the intensity of spectral lines can be much larger than given by the Bohr-Einstein radiation formula E=h*<i>ν</i> if the line is collisionally broadened (see my paper www.plasmaphysics.org.uk/papers/airglow2.htm Chpt. 3.4).
Furthermore, this effect could also explain the radiative output of the sun solely through electronic processes in the solar atmosphere (see also my Coronal Heating page in this context).
www.physicsmyths.org.uk
www.plasmaphysics.org.uk
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