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18 years 10 months ago #13031
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Replied by guoliang liu on topic Reply from GuoLiang Liu
Quote: Planck’s great insight in avoiding the ultraviolet catastrophe was recognizing the quantum nature of light. -|Tom|-
The quantum nature of light is exactly described by the concept of Photon.
Quote: Can you explain an ordinary photometer in which photons are "converted" to electrons? -|Tom|-
This is a use of the photoelectric effect, the electrons are not converted by photons; they are just simply knocked out of the atoms by photons.
Quote: OTOH, if light were not a pure wave phenomenon, how would anyone explain that it has every known wave property? -|Tom|-
QED has explained all the light phenomena based on the concept of the photon, even included some phenomena that cannot be explained by pure wave theory.
The quantum nature of light is exactly described by the concept of Photon.
Quote: Can you explain an ordinary photometer in which photons are "converted" to electrons? -|Tom|-
This is a use of the photoelectric effect, the electrons are not converted by photons; they are just simply knocked out of the atoms by photons.
Quote: OTOH, if light were not a pure wave phenomenon, how would anyone explain that it has every known wave property? -|Tom|-
QED has explained all the light phenomena based on the concept of the photon, even included some phenomena that cannot be explained by pure wave theory.
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18 years 10 months ago #13032
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Quote: When propagating, light never behaves like a particle, but does exhibit all wave properties. -|Tom|-
A photon is not a pure particle, because its rest mass is zero. And I think that only the rest mass is the source of the gravitational potential, so an anti-photon can be exactly the same as a photon. An antiparticle with rest mass will be the source of the anti-gravitational potential, so even an antiparticle without charge will still behave differently compared to a particle.
A photon is not a pure particle, because its rest mass is zero. And I think that only the rest mass is the source of the gravitational potential, so an anti-photon can be exactly the same as a photon. An antiparticle with rest mass will be the source of the anti-gravitational potential, so even an antiparticle without charge will still behave differently compared to a particle.
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18 years 10 months ago #13034
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An electron is not a pure particle too, because it has a wavelength similar to a photon. All particles are not Newton’s particles, otherwise how can you imagine that they can move freely in the LCM, which is thicker than any other medium in the world. Therefore, we may have to admit that pure particle and pure wave are only physical concepts without real counterparts in the real world.
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18 years 10 months ago #13035
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Replied by tvanflandern on topic Reply from Tom Van Flandern
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by guoliang liu</i>
<br />An electron is not a pure particle too, because it has a wavelength similar to a photon. All particles are not Newton’s particles, otherwise how can you imagine that they can move freely in the LCM, which is thicker than any other medium in the world. Therefore, we may have to admit that pure particle and pure wave are only physical concepts without real counterparts in the real world.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am not in favor of mystical thinking in physics. All substance consists of particles. But when particles comprise a medium, and something disturbs the medium, the organized motion of medium particles transfers momentum in the form of waves.
In MM, we also see that big particles can and often do hold atmospheres of smaller particles, which gives the combibed entity both particle properties and wave properties. That is apparently the case for protons and electrons, which hold thick elysium atmospheres that produce the electric forces between them.
This is a clear and definite physical picture, detailed in my paper "On the structure of matter in the Meta Model". The picture you outline, borrowed from QM, is both murky and mystical. -|Tom|-
<br />An electron is not a pure particle too, because it has a wavelength similar to a photon. All particles are not Newton’s particles, otherwise how can you imagine that they can move freely in the LCM, which is thicker than any other medium in the world. Therefore, we may have to admit that pure particle and pure wave are only physical concepts without real counterparts in the real world.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am not in favor of mystical thinking in physics. All substance consists of particles. But when particles comprise a medium, and something disturbs the medium, the organized motion of medium particles transfers momentum in the form of waves.
In MM, we also see that big particles can and often do hold atmospheres of smaller particles, which gives the combibed entity both particle properties and wave properties. That is apparently the case for protons and electrons, which hold thick elysium atmospheres that produce the electric forces between them.
This is a clear and definite physical picture, detailed in my paper "On the structure of matter in the Meta Model". The picture you outline, borrowed from QM, is both murky and mystical. -|Tom|-
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18 years 10 months ago #13036
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Hi Tom and Larry:
I look forward to reading "Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets" and subscribing to the "Meta Research Bulletin."
It is a good thing that the Universe has always existed. Once I can grasp your ideas more firmly, then I will be able to discuss these concepts with you more clearly and maybe then we shall see where it all goes. I am open minded, but there still is a lot of anomolous data that points to motion of energetics that involve incoming and outgoing wave interactions that have an effect on relativity, gravity and time. If a dual time nature does exist it will be interesting to see how if at all, this data can be integrated into the Meta Model.
Okay Larry, now don't hold me to it but here is my present definition of Universe:
Our Universe consist of Mass in Motion at infinite micro and macro scales within a Multi-Dimensional range of frequencies at which one of the bands of frequencies is that of light, the other gravitons, and many more also may exist. Space has zero relativity and motion. All Mass is organized in rotational motion.
Now, here is the part you may want to turn and look the other way at because it mentions that TIME DOMAIN phrase again.
The reason why all motion is circulating around centers is because of graviton bombardments. I think that the bombardments are more specific and we may not at this point understand exactly what source quantum particle it might be that is taking in the energy, and releasing this energy. But, this I think is where I begin the dual time theory. The graviton is the forward motion. The reverse motion may be an antiparticle and would disappear into our past. I know, I have driven my points hard here and you both are probably tired of listening to me.
So, Larry that is my definition of Universe.
John
I look forward to reading "Dark Matter, Missing Planets and New Comets" and subscribing to the "Meta Research Bulletin."
It is a good thing that the Universe has always existed. Once I can grasp your ideas more firmly, then I will be able to discuss these concepts with you more clearly and maybe then we shall see where it all goes. I am open minded, but there still is a lot of anomolous data that points to motion of energetics that involve incoming and outgoing wave interactions that have an effect on relativity, gravity and time. If a dual time nature does exist it will be interesting to see how if at all, this data can be integrated into the Meta Model.
Okay Larry, now don't hold me to it but here is my present definition of Universe:
Our Universe consist of Mass in Motion at infinite micro and macro scales within a Multi-Dimensional range of frequencies at which one of the bands of frequencies is that of light, the other gravitons, and many more also may exist. Space has zero relativity and motion. All Mass is organized in rotational motion.
Now, here is the part you may want to turn and look the other way at because it mentions that TIME DOMAIN phrase again.
The reason why all motion is circulating around centers is because of graviton bombardments. I think that the bombardments are more specific and we may not at this point understand exactly what source quantum particle it might be that is taking in the energy, and releasing this energy. But, this I think is where I begin the dual time theory. The graviton is the forward motion. The reverse motion may be an antiparticle and would disappear into our past. I know, I have driven my points hard here and you both are probably tired of listening to me.
So, Larry that is my definition of Universe.
John
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18 years 10 months ago #13037
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by tvanflandern</i>
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by guoliang liu</i>
<br />An electron is not a pure particle too, because it has a wavelength similar to a photon. All particles are not Newton’s particles, otherwise how can you imagine that they can move freely in the LCM, which is thicker than any other medium in the world. Therefore, we may have to admit that pure particle and pure wave are only physical concepts without real counterparts in the real world.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am not in favor of mystical thinking in physics. All substance consists of particles. But when particles comprise a medium, and something disturbs the medium, the organized motion of medium particles transfers momentum in the form of waves.
In MM, we also see that big particles can and often do hold atmospheres of smaller particles, which gives the combibed entity both particle properties and wave properties. That is apparently the case for protons and electrons, which hold thick elysium atmospheres that produce the electric forces between them.
This is a clear and definite physical picture, detailed in my paper "On the structure of matter in the Meta Model". The picture you outline, borrowed from QM, is both murky and mystical. -|Tom|-
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from my rudimentary introduction to QM it seems as though that a particle(electrons) have a frequency and that this frequency also has a wave aspect to it(wave mechanics) and that they are both seperate from each other but yet bound together. so that there are two aspects of QM, particle and WM, wave. if i'm right in my understanding so far.
<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by guoliang liu</i>
<br />An electron is not a pure particle too, because it has a wavelength similar to a photon. All particles are not Newton’s particles, otherwise how can you imagine that they can move freely in the LCM, which is thicker than any other medium in the world. Therefore, we may have to admit that pure particle and pure wave are only physical concepts without real counterparts in the real world.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">I am not in favor of mystical thinking in physics. All substance consists of particles. But when particles comprise a medium, and something disturbs the medium, the organized motion of medium particles transfers momentum in the form of waves.
In MM, we also see that big particles can and often do hold atmospheres of smaller particles, which gives the combibed entity both particle properties and wave properties. That is apparently the case for protons and electrons, which hold thick elysium atmospheres that produce the electric forces between them.
This is a clear and definite physical picture, detailed in my paper "On the structure of matter in the Meta Model". The picture you outline, borrowed from QM, is both murky and mystical. -|Tom|-
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
from my rudimentary introduction to QM it seems as though that a particle(electrons) have a frequency and that this frequency also has a wave aspect to it(wave mechanics) and that they are both seperate from each other but yet bound together. so that there are two aspects of QM, particle and WM, wave. if i'm right in my understanding so far.
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