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Tom Van Flandern
15 years 10 months ago #15651
by marsrocks
Replied by marsrocks on topic Reply from David Norton
My prayers go out out to Tom and his family. I am very encouraged about Tom's desire to fight and overcome this!
I also regularly read Keith Laney's message board where there are several threads about alternative cancer treatments.
One thread involves the one Claus has already posted and the results claimed are phenomenol. Huge success rate after thorough testing, but not publicly available because the chemical is natural and not patentable. According to the article, the process for making the Gc-MAF is patented, but instead of making it available to the public, they are continuing research to try to make a patentable chemical before releasing it. If there is any way Tom could get the Glycoprotein Macrophage Activating Factors, that would be terrific. Maybe Claus' friends or others could help Tom get into such a study, or get a doctor with access to it to prescribe it.
Other methods discussed include injections of baking soda into the tumor, with huge and quick success (I think this one claims six days the tumor clears). Again, not available to the public, because baking soda injections are not patentable and therefore not profitable.
Another is from a European doctor who abandoned old methods in favor of the use of ground flax seed, flax seed oil and greek cheese, which has had major success in clearing cancer. The thought behind this one is that the body is not deficient in radiation, but in nutrients of specific types available in these substances.
Another is a method discussed at length in youtube videos where a guy has reduced marijuana to an oil, which is clearing cancer with a huge success rate in a couple of months.
Here is a link to the one talking about Gc-MAF, and includes the full text of the patent describing how this substance is produced:
keithlaney.net/TheHiddenMissionForum/vie...?f=6&t=10857&start=0
This one is called the budwig diet:
keithlaney.net/TheHiddenMissionForum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10961
I also regularly read Keith Laney's message board where there are several threads about alternative cancer treatments.
One thread involves the one Claus has already posted and the results claimed are phenomenol. Huge success rate after thorough testing, but not publicly available because the chemical is natural and not patentable. According to the article, the process for making the Gc-MAF is patented, but instead of making it available to the public, they are continuing research to try to make a patentable chemical before releasing it. If there is any way Tom could get the Glycoprotein Macrophage Activating Factors, that would be terrific. Maybe Claus' friends or others could help Tom get into such a study, or get a doctor with access to it to prescribe it.
Other methods discussed include injections of baking soda into the tumor, with huge and quick success (I think this one claims six days the tumor clears). Again, not available to the public, because baking soda injections are not patentable and therefore not profitable.
Another is from a European doctor who abandoned old methods in favor of the use of ground flax seed, flax seed oil and greek cheese, which has had major success in clearing cancer. The thought behind this one is that the body is not deficient in radiation, but in nutrients of specific types available in these substances.
Another is a method discussed at length in youtube videos where a guy has reduced marijuana to an oil, which is clearing cancer with a huge success rate in a couple of months.
Here is a link to the one talking about Gc-MAF, and includes the full text of the patent describing how this substance is produced:
keithlaney.net/TheHiddenMissionForum/vie...?f=6&t=10857&start=0
This one is called the budwig diet:
keithlaney.net/TheHiddenMissionForum/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=10961
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15 years 10 months ago #15657
by Larry Burford
Replied by Larry Burford on topic Reply from Larry Burford
Hi Guys,
I know your hearts are in the right place. All of us would be everjoyed if any one of us were to stumble across The Thing That Cured Tom.
I'm not going to ask you to stop talking about these things, but I would like for you to consider a few points:
<ul><li> EVERYTHING works on at least a few people.</li>
<li>NOTHING works on everybody.</li>
</ul>
So if someone posts something that you know is BS, just let it go. And if someone questions something you posted, assume their intent is other than critical, even if it seems to be. No one has the resources to try everyting, so when well intended bystanders offer suggestions they will either be considered or they won't.
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Who knows, maybe all the good vibes generated by this group wishing they could help, will actually help. We each express this desire in different ways, and writing about some encouraging news, even if it is just an anecdote, is one of those ways.
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Just do your best and keep it civil.
Regards,
LB
I know your hearts are in the right place. All of us would be everjoyed if any one of us were to stumble across The Thing That Cured Tom.
I'm not going to ask you to stop talking about these things, but I would like for you to consider a few points:
<ul><li> EVERYTHING works on at least a few people.</li>
<li>NOTHING works on everybody.</li>
</ul>
So if someone posts something that you know is BS, just let it go. And if someone questions something you posted, assume their intent is other than critical, even if it seems to be. No one has the resources to try everyting, so when well intended bystanders offer suggestions they will either be considered or they won't.
===
Who knows, maybe all the good vibes generated by this group wishing they could help, will actually help. We each express this desire in different ways, and writing about some encouraging news, even if it is just an anecdote, is one of those ways.
===
Code:
We are all going to hurt a bunch if
we lose Tom.
Just do your best and keep it civil.
Regards,
LB
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15 years 10 months ago #15752
by Gregg
Replied by Gregg on topic Reply from Gregg Wilson
This is a real stretch:
What if some agent could instigate <b>progeria</b> in the cancer cells. The cancer cells <b>are</b> unusually susceptible to chemotherapy because they place the highest demand on nutrients. Possibly such an agent - entirely hypothetical - would be taken up first by the cancer cells.
The fast replication of cancer cells indicates that they rapidly exhaust whatever DNA portion enables and allows only a finite number of cell divisions.
One has to think in terms of mechanism: cause and effect.
Gregg Wilson
What if some agent could instigate <b>progeria</b> in the cancer cells. The cancer cells <b>are</b> unusually susceptible to chemotherapy because they place the highest demand on nutrients. Possibly such an agent - entirely hypothetical - would be taken up first by the cancer cells.
The fast replication of cancer cells indicates that they rapidly exhaust whatever DNA portion enables and allows only a finite number of cell divisions.
One has to think in terms of mechanism: cause and effect.
Gregg Wilson
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15 years 10 months ago #23388
by Gregg
Replied by Gregg on topic Reply from Gregg Wilson
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by marsrocks</i>
Other methods discussed include injections of baking soda into the tumor, with huge and quick success (I think this one claims six days the tumor clears). Again, not available to the public, because baking soda injections are not patentable and therefore not profitable.
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Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate, NaHCO3. Humans ingest macroscopic amounts of NaCl and Na+ ion is prevalent in blood, lymphatic fluid, all cells. Metabolism "burns" food with the resulting end products of H2O and CO2. CO2 in blood, in cells, exists as H2CO3 - HCO3+ - CO3=. At the pH of human cells, the high majority of dissolved CO2 is in the form of HCO3-, the bicarbonate ion. So, "baking soda" actually exists in all our cells in its solvated form: Na+ and HCO3-. The only possible effect that sodium bicarbonate can have in cellular fluid is to change the pH. But the pH of NaHCO3 is 8, which almost identical to natural cellular pH. So, it is extremely unlikely that NaHCO3 would have a lethal effect on cancer cells.
The big problem with cancer is that it spreads at the cellular level. That is why you can't chase it with a scalpel - or an injection syringe.
Gregg Wilson
Other methods discussed include injections of baking soda into the tumor, with huge and quick success (I think this one claims six days the tumor clears). Again, not available to the public, because baking soda injections are not patentable and therefore not profitable.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Baking soda is sodium bicarbonate, NaHCO3. Humans ingest macroscopic amounts of NaCl and Na+ ion is prevalent in blood, lymphatic fluid, all cells. Metabolism "burns" food with the resulting end products of H2O and CO2. CO2 in blood, in cells, exists as H2CO3 - HCO3+ - CO3=. At the pH of human cells, the high majority of dissolved CO2 is in the form of HCO3-, the bicarbonate ion. So, "baking soda" actually exists in all our cells in its solvated form: Na+ and HCO3-. The only possible effect that sodium bicarbonate can have in cellular fluid is to change the pH. But the pH of NaHCO3 is 8, which almost identical to natural cellular pH. So, it is extremely unlikely that NaHCO3 would have a lethal effect on cancer cells.
The big problem with cancer is that it spreads at the cellular level. That is why you can't chase it with a scalpel - or an injection syringe.
Gregg Wilson
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15 years 10 months ago #20408
by Pluto
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G'day from the land of ozzzzz
Great news I hope and hope that it stays good news.
Smile and live another day
Great news I hope and hope that it stays good news.
Smile and live another day
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15 years 10 months ago #15662
by mikevf1
Replied by mikevf1 on topic Reply from Michael Van Flandern
Folks,
Thanks for the suggestions, they are ALL appreciated. As Larry said, rather than get into a debate about the merits of each recomendation it would be most helpful if each proposal included 1) a summary of the treatment 2) links to a specific protocol and 3) any relevant journal articles. I recognize it not always easy to find this information but my time is pressed and packaging the infomation makes it easier for us to evaluate each proposal. Clinical recommendations backed by clinical trials and controlled studies obviously carry greater weight but all suggestions are being vetted.
Here's a quick update on Tom's status:
Last Monday (12/23/08) Tom went to Swedish hospital in hopes on having a colon stent placed. Tom's colon has remained partially blocked since November, limiting him to a liquid diet. As his appointment approached Tom's blockage reached near 100% causing him to become extremely bloated (he literally looked 8 months pregnant) and he stopped eating altogether. Typical treatment for this condition is an ileotomoy (bringing an exit port for the small intestine to the surface of the abdomen and bypassing the colon). However we found some research papers that showed a stent placed in the colon at the tumor site had more positive long term results (and had the added benefit of avoiding sugery).
We found a doctor in Seattle who specialized in colon stents. The tumor was at the top of Tom's colon so the procedure was expected to be a little tricky. Unfortunately his attempts to place the stent were completely blocked by a second tumor pressing Tom's colon shut a mere 8 inches in. Tom was admitted to the hospital and scheduled for surgery asap to resolve his blockage.
On 12/24/08 at about 5:30PM the on call surgeon operated on Tom. A CT scan showed massive tumor involvement with both the left and right end of Tom's colon, 7 small tumors in his liver and cancer lining his abdominal wall. The plan was to a perform an ileostomy and if possible remove Tom's colon and 'debulk' as much of the cancer as possible. When the surgical team opened Tom they found a thick wall of fused tumor. They were able to perform the ileostomy, decompress his bowels and drain 6 liters of ascites (malignant fluid). They also took a small biopsy but were not able to remove any more of the tumor.
Tom is now in the hospital recovering from the surgery and its resulting complications (need to restart full kidney and bowel function, resolve edema and of course heal his abdominal incision). He's been in a great deal of pain but does seem to be mending. Monday we meet with the oncologist and discuss biopsy results.
On a small positive note Tom has been taking an aggressive alternative treatment for a couple of weeks and did see a 10% decline in his last CEA score. While CEA levels can measure cancer progress, the most recent result came from a different lab and therefore cannot be reliably compared with the prior result. Nonetheless, any port in a storm...
Thx -Mike
Thanks for the suggestions, they are ALL appreciated. As Larry said, rather than get into a debate about the merits of each recomendation it would be most helpful if each proposal included 1) a summary of the treatment 2) links to a specific protocol and 3) any relevant journal articles. I recognize it not always easy to find this information but my time is pressed and packaging the infomation makes it easier for us to evaluate each proposal. Clinical recommendations backed by clinical trials and controlled studies obviously carry greater weight but all suggestions are being vetted.
Here's a quick update on Tom's status:
Last Monday (12/23/08) Tom went to Swedish hospital in hopes on having a colon stent placed. Tom's colon has remained partially blocked since November, limiting him to a liquid diet. As his appointment approached Tom's blockage reached near 100% causing him to become extremely bloated (he literally looked 8 months pregnant) and he stopped eating altogether. Typical treatment for this condition is an ileotomoy (bringing an exit port for the small intestine to the surface of the abdomen and bypassing the colon). However we found some research papers that showed a stent placed in the colon at the tumor site had more positive long term results (and had the added benefit of avoiding sugery).
We found a doctor in Seattle who specialized in colon stents. The tumor was at the top of Tom's colon so the procedure was expected to be a little tricky. Unfortunately his attempts to place the stent were completely blocked by a second tumor pressing Tom's colon shut a mere 8 inches in. Tom was admitted to the hospital and scheduled for surgery asap to resolve his blockage.
On 12/24/08 at about 5:30PM the on call surgeon operated on Tom. A CT scan showed massive tumor involvement with both the left and right end of Tom's colon, 7 small tumors in his liver and cancer lining his abdominal wall. The plan was to a perform an ileostomy and if possible remove Tom's colon and 'debulk' as much of the cancer as possible. When the surgical team opened Tom they found a thick wall of fused tumor. They were able to perform the ileostomy, decompress his bowels and drain 6 liters of ascites (malignant fluid). They also took a small biopsy but were not able to remove any more of the tumor.
Tom is now in the hospital recovering from the surgery and its resulting complications (need to restart full kidney and bowel function, resolve edema and of course heal his abdominal incision). He's been in a great deal of pain but does seem to be mending. Monday we meet with the oncologist and discuss biopsy results.
On a small positive note Tom has been taking an aggressive alternative treatment for a couple of weeks and did see a 10% decline in his last CEA score. While CEA levels can measure cancer progress, the most recent result came from a different lab and therefore cannot be reliably compared with the prior result. Nonetheless, any port in a storm...
Thx -Mike
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