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15 years 10 months ago #15712
by Larry Burford
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[Gregg] <b>"I am opposed to censorship and would not normally complain. But this is a distinct issue."</b>
evolivid's suggestion sounds potentially harmfull to me too. But see my previous post. Perhaps an appropriate comment, in this context, would be to limit your response to pointing out the specific dangers of another poster's suggestion. That is information Tom and his family can use to help assess a suggestion.
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Technically only a government can censor stuff. All I can can do is exercise editorial discression.
What's the difference? A government can prevent you from publishing your idea everywhere, or put you in jail if you manage to get around them. I can only prevent you from publishing it here, or delete it if you manage to get around me.
Regards,
LB
evolivid's suggestion sounds potentially harmfull to me too. But see my previous post. Perhaps an appropriate comment, in this context, would be to limit your response to pointing out the specific dangers of another poster's suggestion. That is information Tom and his family can use to help assess a suggestion.
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Technically only a government can censor stuff. All I can can do is exercise editorial discression.
What's the difference? A government can prevent you from publishing your idea everywhere, or put you in jail if you manage to get around them. I can only prevent you from publishing it here, or delete it if you manage to get around me.
Regards,
LB
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15 years 10 months ago #15713
by Larry Burford
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The purpose of making this special exception to the rules about subject matter is to see if there are any real world "treatments" that have not already been considered.
Talking about treatment in a theoretical sense, or discussing or arguing about theories of treatment or cause are not exactly what I had in mind. But to avoid arbitrarily suppressing a piece of information that turns out to be important I'm ready to let them pass.
If you see a post that has dangerous ideas in it, just point out the dangers. Be blunt, but be civil. All of your efforts, or at least the intent behind them, are appreciated.
LB
Talking about treatment in a theoretical sense, or discussing or arguing about theories of treatment or cause are not exactly what I had in mind. But to avoid arbitrarily suppressing a piece of information that turns out to be important I'm ready to let them pass.
If you see a post that has dangerous ideas in it, just point out the dangers. Be blunt, but be civil. All of your efforts, or at least the intent behind them, are appreciated.
LB
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15 years 10 months ago #23440
by cosmicsurfer
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Grape Seed Extract Kills Laboratory Leukemia Cells, Proving Value of Natural Compounds
by News Release : Jan 4, 2009 : Newswise/American Association for Cancer Research
"What everyone seeks is an agent that has an effect on cancer cells but leaves normal cells alone, and this shows that grape seed extract fits into this category."
An extract from grape seeds forces laboratory leukemia cells to commit cell suicide, according to researchers from the University of Kentucky. They found that within 24 hours, 76 percent of leukemia cells had died after being exposed to the extract.
The investigators, who report their findings in the January 1, 2009, issue of Clinical Cancer Research, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research, also teased apart the cell signaling pathway associated with use of grape seed extract that led to cell death, or apoptosis. They found that the extract activates JNK, a protein that regulates the apoptotic pathway.
While grape seed extract has shown activity in a number of laboratory cancer cell lines, including skin, breast, colon, lung, stomach and prostate cancers, no one had tested the extract in hematological cancers nor had the precise mechanism for activity been revealed.
"These results could have implications for the incorporation of agents such as grape seed extract into prevention or treatment of hematological malignancies and possibly other cancers," said the study's lead author, Xianglin Shi, Ph.D., professor in the Graduate Center for Toxicology at the University of Kentucky.
"What everyone seeks is an agent that has an effect on cancer cells but leaves normal cells alone, and this shows that grape seed extract fits into this category," he said.
Shi adds, however, that the research is not far enough along to suggest that people should eat grapes, grape seeds, or grape skin in excess to stave off cancer. "This is very promising research, but it is too early to say this is chemo-protective."
Hematological cancersleukemia, lymphoma and myelomaaccounted for an estimated 118,310 new cancer cases and almost 54,000 deaths in 2006, ranking these cancers as the fourth leading cause of cancer incidence and death in the U.S.
Given that epidemiological evidence shows that eating vegetables and fruits helps prevent cancer development, Shi and his colleagues have been studying chemicals known as proanthocyanidins in fruits that contribute to this effect. Shi has found that apple peel extract contains these flavonoids, which have antioxidant activity, and which cause apoptosis in several cancer cell lines but not in normal cells. Based on those studies, and findings from other researchers that grape seed extract reduces breast tumors in rats and skin tumors in mice, they looked at the effect of the compound in leukemia cells.
Using a commercially available grape seed extract, Shi exposed leukemia cells to the extract in different doses and found the marked effect in causing apoptosis in these cells at one of the higher doses.
They also discovered that the extract does not affect normal cells, although they don't know why.
"This is a natural compound that appears to have relatively important properties," Shi said.
www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=6215
I was forwarded this article by a friend so thought I should pass it on. Footnote: I would be eating a ton of dark grapes with seeds. Natural Organic costco peanut butter also has resveratrol in it the same compound that fights cancer from grapes. Also, you can purchase grape seed extract at health food stores. John
by News Release : Jan 4, 2009 : Newswise/American Association for Cancer Research
"What everyone seeks is an agent that has an effect on cancer cells but leaves normal cells alone, and this shows that grape seed extract fits into this category."
An extract from grape seeds forces laboratory leukemia cells to commit cell suicide, according to researchers from the University of Kentucky. They found that within 24 hours, 76 percent of leukemia cells had died after being exposed to the extract.
The investigators, who report their findings in the January 1, 2009, issue of Clinical Cancer Research, a journal of the American Association for Cancer Research, also teased apart the cell signaling pathway associated with use of grape seed extract that led to cell death, or apoptosis. They found that the extract activates JNK, a protein that regulates the apoptotic pathway.
While grape seed extract has shown activity in a number of laboratory cancer cell lines, including skin, breast, colon, lung, stomach and prostate cancers, no one had tested the extract in hematological cancers nor had the precise mechanism for activity been revealed.
"These results could have implications for the incorporation of agents such as grape seed extract into prevention or treatment of hematological malignancies and possibly other cancers," said the study's lead author, Xianglin Shi, Ph.D., professor in the Graduate Center for Toxicology at the University of Kentucky.
"What everyone seeks is an agent that has an effect on cancer cells but leaves normal cells alone, and this shows that grape seed extract fits into this category," he said.
Shi adds, however, that the research is not far enough along to suggest that people should eat grapes, grape seeds, or grape skin in excess to stave off cancer. "This is very promising research, but it is too early to say this is chemo-protective."
Hematological cancersleukemia, lymphoma and myelomaaccounted for an estimated 118,310 new cancer cases and almost 54,000 deaths in 2006, ranking these cancers as the fourth leading cause of cancer incidence and death in the U.S.
Given that epidemiological evidence shows that eating vegetables and fruits helps prevent cancer development, Shi and his colleagues have been studying chemicals known as proanthocyanidins in fruits that contribute to this effect. Shi has found that apple peel extract contains these flavonoids, which have antioxidant activity, and which cause apoptosis in several cancer cell lines but not in normal cells. Based on those studies, and findings from other researchers that grape seed extract reduces breast tumors in rats and skin tumors in mice, they looked at the effect of the compound in leukemia cells.
Using a commercially available grape seed extract, Shi exposed leukemia cells to the extract in different doses and found the marked effect in causing apoptosis in these cells at one of the higher doses.
They also discovered that the extract does not affect normal cells, although they don't know why.
"This is a natural compound that appears to have relatively important properties," Shi said.
www.breakingchristiannews.com/articles/display_art.html?ID=6215
I was forwarded this article by a friend so thought I should pass it on. Footnote: I would be eating a ton of dark grapes with seeds. Natural Organic costco peanut butter also has resveratrol in it the same compound that fights cancer from grapes. Also, you can purchase grape seed extract at health food stores. John
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15 years 10 months ago #20300
by Gregg
Replied by Gregg on topic Reply from Gregg Wilson
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />[Gregg] <b>"Persons who have cancer and believe they will probably die because of it, are understandibly desperate and are willing to try anything."</b>
And this behavior is wrong because ... ?
One of the bigger problems we have in the good old US of A is that our government frequently stands between a terminally ill individual (with days to live, in lots of pain) and an experimental treatment of some sort. So what if it has only "worked" in one case? Or in none. If I'm about to die, I don't care.
Now - that does not mean I'm going to jump at everything someone suggests. I still have the ability to reason. I'm going to use what I know to help filter out the things I will try from all the things I hear about. Either for me, or for a loved one. I'll reject most suggestions for the same obvious reasons you would. But I still want to think about them for a second or two before I don't give them a try.
Suppose someone makes a wild suggestion. It looks wrong, probably even dangerous, on the surface. But I just happen to have another piece of knowledge that allows me to use this suggestion with relative safety.
Food for thought,
LB
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The behavior is not wrong. But, when someone posts something that blatantly has no connection to cancer nor any chance of killing cancer, I will comment on it <b>when it involves simple chemistry.</b>
You have no argument with me over the FDA, government restrictions, etc. If I were a champion of the status quo, I would not be on this message board.
Gregg Wilson
<br />[Gregg] <b>"Persons who have cancer and believe they will probably die because of it, are understandibly desperate and are willing to try anything."</b>
And this behavior is wrong because ... ?
One of the bigger problems we have in the good old US of A is that our government frequently stands between a terminally ill individual (with days to live, in lots of pain) and an experimental treatment of some sort. So what if it has only "worked" in one case? Or in none. If I'm about to die, I don't care.
Now - that does not mean I'm going to jump at everything someone suggests. I still have the ability to reason. I'm going to use what I know to help filter out the things I will try from all the things I hear about. Either for me, or for a loved one. I'll reject most suggestions for the same obvious reasons you would. But I still want to think about them for a second or two before I don't give them a try.
Suppose someone makes a wild suggestion. It looks wrong, probably even dangerous, on the surface. But I just happen to have another piece of knowledge that allows me to use this suggestion with relative safety.
Food for thought,
LB
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The behavior is not wrong. But, when someone posts something that blatantly has no connection to cancer nor any chance of killing cancer, I will comment on it <b>when it involves simple chemistry.</b>
You have no argument with me over the FDA, government restrictions, etc. If I were a champion of the status quo, I would not be on this message board.
Gregg Wilson
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15 years 10 months ago #15709
by Gregg
Replied by Gregg on topic Reply from Gregg Wilson
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />[Gregg] <b>"I am opposed to censorship and would not normally complain. But this is a distinct issue."</b>
evolivid's suggestion sounds potentially harmfull to me too. But see my previous post. Perhaps an appropriate comment, in this context, would be to limit your response to pointing out the specific dangers of another poster's suggestion. That is information Tom and his family can use to help assess a suggestion.
===
Technically only a government can censor stuff. All I can can do is exercise editorial discression.
What's the difference? A government can prevent you from publishing your idea everywhere, or put you in jail if you manage to get around them. I can only prevent you from publishing it here, or delete it if you manage to get around me.
Regards,
LB
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I am not complaining about "censorship" on your part.
Gregg Wilson
<br />[Gregg] <b>"I am opposed to censorship and would not normally complain. But this is a distinct issue."</b>
evolivid's suggestion sounds potentially harmfull to me too. But see my previous post. Perhaps an appropriate comment, in this context, would be to limit your response to pointing out the specific dangers of another poster's suggestion. That is information Tom and his family can use to help assess a suggestion.
===
Technically only a government can censor stuff. All I can can do is exercise editorial discression.
What's the difference? A government can prevent you from publishing your idea everywhere, or put you in jail if you manage to get around them. I can only prevent you from publishing it here, or delete it if you manage to get around me.
Regards,
LB
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I am not complaining about "censorship" on your part.
Gregg Wilson
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15 years 10 months ago #15714
by Gregg
Replied by Gregg on topic Reply from Gregg Wilson
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />Grape Seed Extract Kills Laboratory Leukemia Cells, Proving Value of Natural Compounds
by News Release : Jan 4, 2009 : Newswise/American Association for Cancer Research
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I was forwarded this article by a friend so thought I should pass it on. Footnote: I would be eating a ton of dark grapes with seeds. Natural Organic costco peanut butter also has resveratrol in it the same compound that fights cancer from grapes. Also, you can purchase grape seed extract at health food stores. John
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I have no argument with this but <b>the burden is proof positve</b>, not proof negative. If I were dying of cancer (and I wasn't), I would be gobbling down grapes. But I would not be ingesting bleach!!!!
Gregg Wilson
<br />Grape Seed Extract Kills Laboratory Leukemia Cells, Proving Value of Natural Compounds
by News Release : Jan 4, 2009 : Newswise/American Association for Cancer Research
.......
I was forwarded this article by a friend so thought I should pass it on. Footnote: I would be eating a ton of dark grapes with seeds. Natural Organic costco peanut butter also has resveratrol in it the same compound that fights cancer from grapes. Also, you can purchase grape seed extract at health food stores. John
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I have no argument with this but <b>the burden is proof positve</b>, not proof negative. If I were dying of cancer (and I wasn't), I would be gobbling down grapes. But I would not be ingesting bleach!!!!
Gregg Wilson
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