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21 years 11 months ago #3453
by Patrick
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It wasn't intended as a segway into the discussion of scripture, it was simply an observation of a theological position from the standpoint of *ALL* religions. I didn't say lets discuss/debate scripture because nobody, including myself, wants to do that. PLEASE, NO Bible thumping! I am simply making the point that what I have discribed is such that can be viewed from both a scientific perspective as well as a theological perspective, they both say the same thing.
It wasn't intended as a segway into the discussion of scripture, it was simply an observation of a theological position from the standpoint of *ALL* religions. I didn't say lets discuss/debate scripture because nobody, including myself, wants to do that. PLEASE, NO Bible thumping! I am simply making the point that what I have discribed is such that can be viewed from both a scientific perspective as well as a theological perspective, they both say the same thing.
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21 years 11 months ago #3894
by MarkVitrone
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MHO is that in societies that have not found science, religion has been substituted to deal with the doings of a misunderstood world. In societies where science exists, religion's role is the explanation of why those misunderstood doings mess up ones life. (that was my poor attempt at humor for the evening)
Seriously though, BOTH religion and science are seeking the answer to the big question: What is going on around here?
Most big religious/science debates resolve in a quiet science where all parties realize the futility of trying to elevate one over the other when in actuality they are the same.
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Seriously though, BOTH religion and science are seeking the answer to the big question: What is going on around here?
Most big religious/science debates resolve in a quiet science where all parties realize the futility of trying to elevate one over the other when in actuality they are the same.
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I will go now.
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21 years 10 months ago #3745
by jacques
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Hi
I discovered this site recently and I am very enthusiate about it.
My opinion it's OK to discust theology, because the infinite universe concept open the door to infinite consciousnes.
We human made a part of it in a finite time. Our highest level of conciousness tell us that we are in infinite word. It tell us also that every thing live and die except the universe itself. Within an infinite time the univers may gain an infinite consciousness?
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Is it theology?
I discovered this site recently and I am very enthusiate about it.
My opinion it's OK to discust theology, because the infinite universe concept open the door to infinite consciousnes.
We human made a part of it in a finite time. Our highest level of conciousness tell us that we are in infinite word. It tell us also that every thing live and die except the universe itself. Within an infinite time the univers may gain an infinite consciousness?
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Is it theology?
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21 years 9 months ago #3388
by Mac
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I am a Deist. For those that probably have never heard of it, it is a "Non-Spiritual" religion. I like it because I think it is the most pragmagic.
The universe exists, to say it has alwasys existed, seems to be a cop out. Therefore somewhere, sometime, there was a creation.
The problem is in the definition of God. I don't even like using the term for the conatation it carries via religions.
It seems the best we can do is discover what we can about the creation and not assign what to me are demeaning attributions to any God Creator, should such a thing exist.
Even accepting a God creator, one then must ask where was Gods work shop before he invented time-space. And how did he (it) create himself.
No, science is far closer to God than religions of the world.
Mac
The universe exists, to say it has alwasys existed, seems to be a cop out. Therefore somewhere, sometime, there was a creation.
The problem is in the definition of God. I don't even like using the term for the conatation it carries via religions.
It seems the best we can do is discover what we can about the creation and not assign what to me are demeaning attributions to any God Creator, should such a thing exist.
Even accepting a God creator, one then must ask where was Gods work shop before he invented time-space. And how did he (it) create himself.
No, science is far closer to God than religions of the world.
Mac
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21 years 9 months ago #2935
by Mac
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"pragmatic"
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21 years 9 months ago #4027
by Jeremy
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The universe exists, to say it has always existed, seems to be a cop out. Therefore somewhere, sometime, there was a creation.
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So say you. What is the proof? If you can show an inherent logical contradiction to the notion that the universe has always existed I would like to know what it could be.
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The problem is in the definition of God. I don't even like using the term for the conatation it carries via religions.
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Exactly. Any definition is metaphysical and usually ends up being just personal opinion, what a person wants to believe. I dislike the notion of relgious discussion on this board because it always seems to decay to people damning other people or using the Bible as ultimate authority. This kind of appeal to authority I feel is incompatible with scientific thinking and there is no ground for objective debate.
The universe exists, to say it has always existed, seems to be a cop out. Therefore somewhere, sometime, there was a creation.
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So say you. What is the proof? If you can show an inherent logical contradiction to the notion that the universe has always existed I would like to know what it could be.
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The problem is in the definition of God. I don't even like using the term for the conatation it carries via religions.
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Exactly. Any definition is metaphysical and usually ends up being just personal opinion, what a person wants to believe. I dislike the notion of relgious discussion on this board because it always seems to decay to people damning other people or using the Bible as ultimate authority. This kind of appeal to authority I feel is incompatible with scientific thinking and there is no ground for objective debate.
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