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A Geoglyph re-imaged... Parrotopia
18 years 4 months ago #4220
by starjim
Replied by starjim on topic Reply from Jim Miller
Neil, Sorry it took me a couple of days to respond I was traveling for work. Thanks for making those posts of the images. Interestingly the unprocessed image also available at the public target once contrast adjusted shows even more detail than expected and the image does need to be adjusted as it is compressed due to the angle as mentioned. The city detail does show a lot more of the cliff faces once enhanced and I would bring your attention to the area around the parrot itself.
Note how there seems to be a serated effect across the top which is filled in now with some crenulated surface material making it look like the parrot is framed. I also note your mention of the clearing under the birds neck etc. flattening out the obvious crenulations that must have been there as they are throughout the rest ot the area.
Not mentioned yet is the fact that there has been 4 years elapsed and if there was natural erosion at work here we would see some marked differences in the feature and the surrounding areas, the fact that this feature is basically stable goes towards the argument of artificiality...
BTW my apologies for not doing the proper imaging work on this I am just far behind having been away on vacation and jumping right back into work and this new image was a nice surprise to come home to and needs the proper time and attention, so I didn't want to be haphazard with it.
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
Note how there seems to be a serated effect across the top which is filled in now with some crenulated surface material making it look like the parrot is framed. I also note your mention of the clearing under the birds neck etc. flattening out the obvious crenulations that must have been there as they are throughout the rest ot the area.
Not mentioned yet is the fact that there has been 4 years elapsed and if there was natural erosion at work here we would see some marked differences in the feature and the surrounding areas, the fact that this feature is basically stable goes towards the argument of artificiality...
BTW my apologies for not doing the proper imaging work on this I am just far behind having been away on vacation and jumping right back into work and this new image was a nice surprise to come home to and needs the proper time and attention, so I didn't want to be haphazard with it.
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
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18 years 4 months ago #4221
by starjim
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Some further observations, first regarding the city area, I have done some imaging on the M image that to me shows the area as cells some of which have collapsed.
First with reference to the walls of the city area:
This is original work done by myself 1/18/2003 Then there is this from the S image by Todd:
Note the rise of the face of the walls now very evident in Todds version. Note the Observation deck I defined in 2003 is actually visible and connected to the wall, though oriented diffently in the two crops.
Here is another crop of the city area that I have marked up to show what I think I see there:
1 is an object that rises out and above the gridwork, note that at the 'ground level' area is a squared walled area this object seems to be rising from.
2 this is a portion of the grid that seems to have broken away downward. The geometric almost triangular design seems to hang in mid air while a piece of the grid falls downward under the point of the arrow.
3. A device of some kind, looks like a tank on its side with an access point facing the camera, problem here is that the image has a scan line or a separation where the image was stitched together which distorts a portion of the object.
4. A round 'compression ring' which would support the gridwork. Note the area behind the #4 arrow to the right it is darkened and appears to have depth, the grid along the edge to the right also looks like it has some broken glass type covering that is now translucent and hovering in the air.
With regards to aliens, parrots, life forms here there and everywhere... The diversity here on the Earth is incredible there are things here that look as alien as anything one might imagine coming from outer space. The similarity is also incredible, I meet thousands of people every year as a saleperson and I am always struck by how many features people share making them almost twin-like to many others I have seen.
I don't think it is unreasonable to have similar life forms throughout the universe at all especially if one subscribes to the the theory of seeding of the planets via meteors, comets etc. or to just the basic concept that organic matter is going to be similar no matter where it may arise.
One thing further as I know there is some discussion previously raised (I think it was this site) about other objects in the area that would bolster the argument for artificiality, that they just wouldn't build the Parrot and maybe even the city without doing other things as at Cydonia.
Look across the river of the city area, the bank of that 'river' forms the profile of a baby.
This image was supplied by MUC for the Anomaly Hunters forum and I borrow it here the image is not map projected and therefore oriented differently but the profile is at the bottom of the image.
There is also this esoteric alien profile (by Peg) towards the bottom of the strip which BTW (Zip Montser) does mirror into a pretty interesting character:
So while some of it is less obvious or even less readily agreed to there are other areas of interest and study throughout this complex image strip and I do plan to make another request through the public target program for more of the area to the rear of the parrot. Any suggestions about coordinates to be more exact (Long and Lat) would be appreciated.
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
First with reference to the walls of the city area:
This is original work done by myself 1/18/2003 Then there is this from the S image by Todd:
Note the rise of the face of the walls now very evident in Todds version. Note the Observation deck I defined in 2003 is actually visible and connected to the wall, though oriented diffently in the two crops.
Here is another crop of the city area that I have marked up to show what I think I see there:
1 is an object that rises out and above the gridwork, note that at the 'ground level' area is a squared walled area this object seems to be rising from.
2 this is a portion of the grid that seems to have broken away downward. The geometric almost triangular design seems to hang in mid air while a piece of the grid falls downward under the point of the arrow.
3. A device of some kind, looks like a tank on its side with an access point facing the camera, problem here is that the image has a scan line or a separation where the image was stitched together which distorts a portion of the object.
4. A round 'compression ring' which would support the gridwork. Note the area behind the #4 arrow to the right it is darkened and appears to have depth, the grid along the edge to the right also looks like it has some broken glass type covering that is now translucent and hovering in the air.
With regards to aliens, parrots, life forms here there and everywhere... The diversity here on the Earth is incredible there are things here that look as alien as anything one might imagine coming from outer space. The similarity is also incredible, I meet thousands of people every year as a saleperson and I am always struck by how many features people share making them almost twin-like to many others I have seen.
I don't think it is unreasonable to have similar life forms throughout the universe at all especially if one subscribes to the the theory of seeding of the planets via meteors, comets etc. or to just the basic concept that organic matter is going to be similar no matter where it may arise.
One thing further as I know there is some discussion previously raised (I think it was this site) about other objects in the area that would bolster the argument for artificiality, that they just wouldn't build the Parrot and maybe even the city without doing other things as at Cydonia.
Look across the river of the city area, the bank of that 'river' forms the profile of a baby.
This image was supplied by MUC for the Anomaly Hunters forum and I borrow it here the image is not map projected and therefore oriented differently but the profile is at the bottom of the image.
There is also this esoteric alien profile (by Peg) towards the bottom of the strip which BTW (Zip Montser) does mirror into a pretty interesting character:
So while some of it is less obvious or even less readily agreed to there are other areas of interest and study throughout this complex image strip and I do plan to make another request through the public target program for more of the area to the rear of the parrot. Any suggestions about coordinates to be more exact (Long and Lat) would be appreciated.
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
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18 years 4 months ago #17347
by starjim
Replied by starjim on topic Reply from Jim Miller
Neil,
Referencing your mention of the beetle like structure here is a rendition of it from January 2003.
1. a round structure with pipe rising from the center and running off to the right
2. The bridge no other way to describe it other than the ruined entrance to the complex
3. I noted these two structures together as they are propably the ruined buttress for the bridge. Note BTW there is pipe-like structure connecting these.
4. Is the scarab or beetle, I noted this not to say I could see it but to say there is that distinct line running down the center of its' back and there is ruined pipe works leading to 1.
Perhaps this is the water processing plant for the city and 2 is the intake, 4 the main holding tank and 1 a processed water tank.
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
Referencing your mention of the beetle like structure here is a rendition of it from January 2003.
1. a round structure with pipe rising from the center and running off to the right
2. The bridge no other way to describe it other than the ruined entrance to the complex
3. I noted these two structures together as they are propably the ruined buttress for the bridge. Note BTW there is pipe-like structure connecting these.
4. Is the scarab or beetle, I noted this not to say I could see it but to say there is that distinct line running down the center of its' back and there is ruined pipe works leading to 1.
Perhaps this is the water processing plant for the city and 2 is the intake, 4 the main holding tank and 1 a processed water tank.
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
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18 years 4 months ago #17348
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Jim,
You posted a lot of good stuff re: the parrot and adjoining complex. I'll just make a few comments.
Here's a zoom in with some brightness and contrast enhancement of the NW corner of the "city."
And here's a repeat of Wil's crop of the "beetle." Both crops are from[img][/img] M14, and to the maximum of pixelization. Any more zoom and we would just see pixels.
And here's the NW corner again from the new image S20. All 3 crops are map projected so that north is up, more or less.
It's clear that M14 has better resolution. On top of that, the city in S20 is in the shade of the big mountain to the north of the city. But for some reason I'm not sure of, the "wall" in the NW corner is reflecting a lot more light in S20. But both images show straight, striated lines eminating down the wall. These may be reflected rays of light from the "cells" above or they might be the actual form of the wall, namely straight edged and artificial in appearance.
I agree that the cris-cross "streets" above the wall look like cells which are collapsed on the edges. These may have been some type of hermetically sealed enclosure for the inhabitants within the city. In one possible deductive model, the inhabitants of this planet may have had to survive for long periods with an atmosphere which could no longer sustain them, (after a mega impact or impacts ripped away their atmosphere.) The parrot itself may be an enclosure, since there are cell strands or tubes leading to it in its neck area, (see parrot above).
My biggest problem with all of this is of course the limitations of our evidence. We need much better images and a lot more of them, and that's just a start.
Neil
You posted a lot of good stuff re: the parrot and adjoining complex. I'll just make a few comments.
Here's a zoom in with some brightness and contrast enhancement of the NW corner of the "city."
And here's a repeat of Wil's crop of the "beetle." Both crops are from[img][/img] M14, and to the maximum of pixelization. Any more zoom and we would just see pixels.
And here's the NW corner again from the new image S20. All 3 crops are map projected so that north is up, more or less.
It's clear that M14 has better resolution. On top of that, the city in S20 is in the shade of the big mountain to the north of the city. But for some reason I'm not sure of, the "wall" in the NW corner is reflecting a lot more light in S20. But both images show straight, striated lines eminating down the wall. These may be reflected rays of light from the "cells" above or they might be the actual form of the wall, namely straight edged and artificial in appearance.
I agree that the cris-cross "streets" above the wall look like cells which are collapsed on the edges. These may have been some type of hermetically sealed enclosure for the inhabitants within the city. In one possible deductive model, the inhabitants of this planet may have had to survive for long periods with an atmosphere which could no longer sustain them, (after a mega impact or impacts ripped away their atmosphere.) The parrot itself may be an enclosure, since there are cell strands or tubes leading to it in its neck area, (see parrot above).
My biggest problem with all of this is of course the limitations of our evidence. We need much better images and a lot more of them, and that's just a start.
Neil
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18 years 4 months ago #9130
by starjim
Replied by starjim on topic Reply from Jim Miller
Funny that you mention the Parrot itself as being an enclosure my attention was drawn to the tail section yesterday and I did this little comparison crop:
What I see is a ridge line that runs along the length of the tail and the collapsed area is at and above that line, there is no debris to account for the gaping hole.
Another thought about a city underground... more than likely the reason we do see so much above ground material is that like NYC, Chicago etc. construction began above ground and as the situation required life moved underground leaving behind the remnants of the above ground activity... I did a crop of a Spanish Mars movie showing the Inca ruins wherein they panned back from interior cells upwards and outwards until you got the idea that you were looking into the underground than from above it was quite a shot... sorry I can't seem to find the movie or the crops I did at the moment but I'll endeavor to find them over the next day or so....
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
What I see is a ridge line that runs along the length of the tail and the collapsed area is at and above that line, there is no debris to account for the gaping hole.
Another thought about a city underground... more than likely the reason we do see so much above ground material is that like NYC, Chicago etc. construction began above ground and as the situation required life moved underground leaving behind the remnants of the above ground activity... I did a crop of a Spanish Mars movie showing the Inca ruins wherein they panned back from interior cells upwards and outwards until you got the idea that you were looking into the underground than from above it was quite a shot... sorry I can't seem to find the movie or the crops I did at the moment but I'll endeavor to find them over the next day or so....
Jim Miller, You can find anything if you want to!
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18 years 4 months ago #9136
by neilderosa
Replied by neilderosa on topic Reply from Neil DeRosa
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Another thought about a city underground... more than likely the reason we do see so much above ground material is that like NYC, Chicago etc. construction began above ground and as the situation required life moved underground leaving behind the remnants of the above ground activity [starjim]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I like this as a model. It sounds very reasonable, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need better evidence. Perhaps you can request a high resolution image of your favorite section of the city itself. You seem to have had better luck with the NASA gatekeepers than I have.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Funny that you mention the Parrot itself as being an enclosure <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I said "may." It may be an enclosure. There is a difference. Until I see much better evidence or I am on Mars with an oxygen mask, very warm pressurized clothes, and a pick ax, I won't say "is."
Oh by the way, if anybody turns the city crop so it has west on top on the screen, there are some interesting faces in the city itself (oh, no, not more faces!) with some pretty good definition, especially in the eyes and nose areas, good that is, considering the resolution of the raw data M14 image. One of my working hypotheses is that the faces are place markers for what lies below, sort of like tombstones--or maybe like family coats of arms.
I'd kind of like to let someone else take the innitiative though. All of these raw emotions tend to wear a guy down after awhile.
People seem to get very emotional about faces on Mars for some reason.
Neil
I like this as a model. It sounds very reasonable, but at the risk of sounding like a broken record, we need better evidence. Perhaps you can request a high resolution image of your favorite section of the city itself. You seem to have had better luck with the NASA gatekeepers than I have.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Funny that you mention the Parrot itself as being an enclosure <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I said "may." It may be an enclosure. There is a difference. Until I see much better evidence or I am on Mars with an oxygen mask, very warm pressurized clothes, and a pick ax, I won't say "is."
Oh by the way, if anybody turns the city crop so it has west on top on the screen, there are some interesting faces in the city itself (oh, no, not more faces!) with some pretty good definition, especially in the eyes and nose areas, good that is, considering the resolution of the raw data M14 image. One of my working hypotheses is that the faces are place markers for what lies below, sort of like tombstones--or maybe like family coats of arms.
I'd kind of like to let someone else take the innitiative though. All of these raw emotions tend to wear a guy down after awhile.
People seem to get very emotional about faces on Mars for some reason.
Neil
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