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Why I disagree with static eternal universe
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16 years 4 weeks ago #20357
by cosmicsurfer
Replied by cosmicsurfer on topic Reply from John Rickey
Hi Stoat, I totally disagree NO COLD LUMPY COLLOID you are assuming that there is only one direction in time which again provides ZERO CAUSATION for mass to form in the first place. Space is an infinity and is not a substance so you can rule out a Big Bang, so then what is the cause for creating mass in motion? Yes, I do agree with you regarding galactic super conductance, but what energy is really circulating through the galaxy? Mass does not create itself, and black holes are not self gravitational objects generating gravity that is non sense and they certainly are not singularities and they do not evaporate---what they are is dynamos generating a reverse current antimatter core that rotates in the opposite direction from the incoming GRAVITONS. Again if you do not link the in and out energy flow to some source you cannot have a reason for mass to even exist in the first place. Santilli is one of the only scientists besides Dirac and Feynman that understand that there are two directions in time.
No causality zero mass formation if only one direction in time--- nothing could exist without a circulation of energy between forward and reverse time ISO-DUAL rotations from large to small scales. Matter and Antimatter annihilations are always recycled back into the duality. I think electrons are gravitons that fall out of orbit from being captured forming the right thumb rule motion around electric current that orbits around protons. Because of this constant circulation of gravitons, galaxies are far older and probably die as they approach a boundary field that surrounds this very large paired forward time motion. Boundary fields surround our BEC that is the atom you are talking about circulates mass outwards away from the incoming gravitons and mass then will be recycled when graviton and antigraviton interactions are no longer favorable to maintain mass fluctuations. Same goes for solar systems, galaxies, and our mega galactic arm that we are circulating outwards in towards our forward time boundary zone. So, all matter is paired with antimatter, matter exists in forward time, where as antimatter in its own field is a reverse time wave and will annihilate matter when these paired rotations become out of balance, cite Santilli, ISO-DUAL ANTIMATTER THEORY. John
No causality zero mass formation if only one direction in time--- nothing could exist without a circulation of energy between forward and reverse time ISO-DUAL rotations from large to small scales. Matter and Antimatter annihilations are always recycled back into the duality. I think electrons are gravitons that fall out of orbit from being captured forming the right thumb rule motion around electric current that orbits around protons. Because of this constant circulation of gravitons, galaxies are far older and probably die as they approach a boundary field that surrounds this very large paired forward time motion. Boundary fields surround our BEC that is the atom you are talking about circulates mass outwards away from the incoming gravitons and mass then will be recycled when graviton and antigraviton interactions are no longer favorable to maintain mass fluctuations. Same goes for solar systems, galaxies, and our mega galactic arm that we are circulating outwards in towards our forward time boundary zone. So, all matter is paired with antimatter, matter exists in forward time, where as antimatter in its own field is a reverse time wave and will annihilate matter when these paired rotations become out of balance, cite Santilli, ISO-DUAL ANTIMATTER THEORY. John
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16 years 3 weeks ago #15576
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
Hi John, in a negative refractive index material, and I believe we are talking about the vacuum as a material here, things seem to work backwards. Cerenkov radiation for instance, would proceed as a cone shape, the entering photon, rather than trail behind it. Electrons will behave like positrons though their spins wouldn't change. Push on one and it would push back!
If you want to do the maths,then its simpler to just reverse the signs, run the movie backwards as it were. But the thing is, it's way to early to say that if we had a metric of time, then it reverses. At the present moment its best to say that the arrow of time is in one direction only. This is, one because we havent thought out the logic of a time metric yet, and two, because we could very well end up confusing ourselves.
The comment about lumpy colloids, it's not a comment about the aether. Groups of galaxies are relatively close to each other, they behave like a colloid rather than a gas.
As it's difficult to look at thing which move faster than the speed of light, it struck me that we dont need to, to get some sort of insight into the physics of the thing. We simply preserve the ratio of the two speeds. Then we have h = v^2 / c^2 That velocity is extremely slow. We are then looking at the physics of a super cooled material. Further we would need to look at the physics of a super cooled none newtonian liquid, a super cooled mayonnaise. It's sure to have super conducting properties, it's sure to have emergent properties but how the thing would work is not apparent.
One possibility is to make a material from a binary mixture of sintered nano spheres. They're not that difficult to make. Though one needs a shot tower and a can with a nanometer hole in its bottom.
If you want to do the maths,then its simpler to just reverse the signs, run the movie backwards as it were. But the thing is, it's way to early to say that if we had a metric of time, then it reverses. At the present moment its best to say that the arrow of time is in one direction only. This is, one because we havent thought out the logic of a time metric yet, and two, because we could very well end up confusing ourselves.
The comment about lumpy colloids, it's not a comment about the aether. Groups of galaxies are relatively close to each other, they behave like a colloid rather than a gas.
As it's difficult to look at thing which move faster than the speed of light, it struck me that we dont need to, to get some sort of insight into the physics of the thing. We simply preserve the ratio of the two speeds. Then we have h = v^2 / c^2 That velocity is extremely slow. We are then looking at the physics of a super cooled material. Further we would need to look at the physics of a super cooled none newtonian liquid, a super cooled mayonnaise. It's sure to have super conducting properties, it's sure to have emergent properties but how the thing would work is not apparent.
One possibility is to make a material from a binary mixture of sintered nano spheres. They're not that difficult to make. Though one needs a shot tower and a can with a nanometer hole in its bottom.
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16 years 3 weeks ago #20362
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Replied by cosmicsurfer on topic Reply from John Rickey
Hi Stoat, the positron spin does change [reverse spin equals reverse time---and will annihilate forward time waves if the two collide] that is the whole point. I again think that nothing can exist if the arrow of time is only in one direction. Again here is why there is zero cause for motion, or mass to form. That is why the big bang mythology was created but the simple logic is that space is not a substance and is an infinity so again you can not crump it up so to speak because it is not crumpable. Zero cause for motion, so you blame it on an unseen dark matter but again how can motion be created without contact so you have action at a distance which again is impossible.
GRAVITON CYCLE---gravitons orginate in reverse time other half of our dual time sphere from the center of antimatter galactic black holes [beginning of forward time with matter induction which creates graviton ejections that head around torus to form our visible circulation]. Two directions one matter the other antimatter on a large scale in fast motion chasing each other around a torus. Same goes for electrons and positrons or any other particle that is paired with a reverse time right hand particle. That is why we only see left hand charge, and antimatter CPT violations take place because antimatter really wants to separate out and be on the other side of the dual time sphere where it belongs. John
GRAVITON CYCLE---gravitons orginate in reverse time other half of our dual time sphere from the center of antimatter galactic black holes [beginning of forward time with matter induction which creates graviton ejections that head around torus to form our visible circulation]. Two directions one matter the other antimatter on a large scale in fast motion chasing each other around a torus. Same goes for electrons and positrons or any other particle that is paired with a reverse time right hand particle. That is why we only see left hand charge, and antimatter CPT violations take place because antimatter really wants to separate out and be on the other side of the dual time sphere where it belongs. John
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16 years 3 weeks ago #20363
by JMB
Replied by JMB on topic Reply from Jacques Moret-Bailly
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Stoat</i>
<br />Hi John, in a negative refractive index material, and I believe we are talking about the vacuum as a material here, things seem to work backwards.
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NO! it is the PHASE speed which is larger than C, not the GROUP speed. It is necessary to take into account the time-incoherence of light.
<br />Hi John, in a negative refractive index material, and I believe we are talking about the vacuum as a material here, things seem to work backwards.
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NO! it is the PHASE speed which is larger than C, not the GROUP speed. It is necessary to take into account the time-incoherence of light.
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16 years 3 weeks ago #15594
by Stoat
Replied by Stoat on topic Reply from Robert Turner
With neg r.i. there's a phase transition. The phase velocity goes down and the group velocity goes up. We get two antiparallel phase velocities. One slow one fast, they move leftwards and rightwards.
Now I think that information can be carried and you evidently don't.
Now I think that information can be carried and you evidently don't.
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15 years 6 months ago #23738
by JAaronNicholson
Alan,
Would you like a Mathematical proof of infinity. The entire obsession of mathematics with "things being equal as being correct" is the only Mathematical proof that math needs to offer. Everything has to equal everything--always. It can't eventually equal nothing, no matter how long it takes or how much you divide it. You may end up with ever smaller pieces but you will have proportionally that many more of them at every division. This goes for Energy, matter, heat, whatever.
And if that is not true, then, how did all of this get here in the first place? From Nothing? Or do you imagine that at one time there was just much much much more and now this is all that's left? Then, if all of this came from nothing and is to return to nothing, couldn't it all, conceivably, come from nothing a second time, third time, etc?
When you start with two apples and you take away two apples, you simply end up with two apples at a new location (even if you eat them).
Besides, how can you explain the urge of raw materials forming into ever more complex structures to eventually produce living creatures that can, then, with their mere will power and determination create even more complex structures, as a logical result coming out of Entropy? There is an anti-entropy force at work in evidence, here, just as much as there is an entropy force spreading out over time, and they are both riding the same Arrows of time in all directions.
Food for Thought?
With warm regards, Aaron
Replied by JAaronNicholson on topic Reply from James Nicholson
Alan,
Would you like a Mathematical proof of infinity. The entire obsession of mathematics with "things being equal as being correct" is the only Mathematical proof that math needs to offer. Everything has to equal everything--always. It can't eventually equal nothing, no matter how long it takes or how much you divide it. You may end up with ever smaller pieces but you will have proportionally that many more of them at every division. This goes for Energy, matter, heat, whatever.
And if that is not true, then, how did all of this get here in the first place? From Nothing? Or do you imagine that at one time there was just much much much more and now this is all that's left? Then, if all of this came from nothing and is to return to nothing, couldn't it all, conceivably, come from nothing a second time, third time, etc?
When you start with two apples and you take away two apples, you simply end up with two apples at a new location (even if you eat them).
Besides, how can you explain the urge of raw materials forming into ever more complex structures to eventually produce living creatures that can, then, with their mere will power and determination create even more complex structures, as a logical result coming out of Entropy? There is an anti-entropy force at work in evidence, here, just as much as there is an entropy force spreading out over time, and they are both riding the same Arrows of time in all directions.
Food for Thought?
With warm regards, Aaron
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