The Big Bang never happened

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Tommy</i>
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Now Patrick, I don't know what you are doing here, you state, correct me if I am wrong, that you have found the big bang to be extremely accurate. That is a false assumption/conclusion. Certainly you are aware that the original big bang as an explosion of matter has been falsified. <u>The replacement theory of Inflation is not testable, and there happen to be 21 different versions anyhow.</u> The equations which describe the cooling down period and subsequent structuring do not produce an accurate picture of what we observe, <b><u>and the conclusion that space is expanding, which is responsible for your theory, was disputed by Hubble himself who claimed to his death that there is no expansion.</u></b> There is no evidence that redshift is a distance/velocity determinant. There is evidence that redshift is not a distance/velocity determinant. No expansion, no Inflation, no big bang.
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Oh, I guess since hubble said so and said it to his grave then he must be correct?[8]

Try to follow me:

(E)nergy is never created nor destroyed hence, ALL (E)nergy that does, can, or will ever exist - EXISTS! Since it can not be created nor destroyed it is ETERNAL. To be eternal means to exist outside of TIME. Based on E=mc2, ALL (M)atter IS (E)nergy. From a mathematical perspective (E)nergy is the mathematical equivelent of (0) --&gt; {E}={0}

NOW,
1) Prior to the BANG T="0" meaning (T)ime does NOT exist, ONLY (E)nergy exists at this point.

2) Prior to the BANG S="0" meaning (S)pace does NOT exist. (S)pace is created from teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter. ONLY (E)nergy exists at this point.

3) From the (E)nergy - <b><font size="4">BANG!!!!!</font id="size4"></b> m=E/c2 an exposion of (M)atter, DARK (M)ATTER! (M)atter that is just on the fringe between PURE (E)nergy & (M)atter.

4) Now, T="0+", something other than PURE (E)nergy now exists, (M)atter - Condesnsed(E)nergy.

5) The Dark (M)atter starts to shed teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter. These particles accumulate/inflate within the bounds of the PURE (E)nergy. Just like a balloon. (Take a small piece of dry ice and place it in a ballon and add a few drops of water)

6) As to the continued expansion, take a look at any star and tell me what happens to the light energy that is emitted. Does any of it convert into (M)atter? []

What do you think STARS are really made of? Perhaps Dark Matter shedding particles of (M)atter? A transformation right on the edge of + - c2?

What are your questions?

Patrick[]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">From Patrick, what are your questions?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I have a few questions Patrick, if you don’t mind.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Oh, I guess since hubble said so and said it to his grave then he must be correct?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Are you aware that a persons dying words can be used as testimony in a Court of Law? It has been held that a person, at the time of death, does not lie.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">1) Prior to the BANG T="0" meaning (T)ime does NOT exist, ONLY (E)nergy exists at this point.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Are you saying that the BB did happen but that it did not happen at a point in time? Do you have an estimate of how long after the event threshold of the Bang beginning, Time began?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">2) Prior to the BANG S="0" meaning (S)pace does NOT exist. (S)pace is created from teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter. ONLY (E)nergy exists at this point.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Are you saying that Energy did not exist within Space prior to the Bang? Can you give me a clue as to where it did exist? And, what occupies the space between the teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter that comprise Space? If you say teenyer, tinyer, ittyer, bittysier, teensyer, weensyer, particles of matter I just restate my question.

Just one more question Patrick; when were the Laws of Physics established? bbb, (before big bang) or atb (after time began).
Thank you for your time,
thebobgy

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by thebobgy</i>
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Are you saying that the BB did happen but that it did not happen at a point in time? Do you have an estimate of how long after the event threshold of the Bang beginning, Time began?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
That would be correct. Before the BANG the only thing that existed was PURE (E)NERGY, no space or time or matter. (T)ime began at the very instant the BANG(conversion of m=E/c2) occurred.


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">2) Prior to the BANG S="0" meaning (S)pace does NOT exist. (S)pace is created from teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter. ONLY (E)nergy exists at this point.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Are you saying that Energy did not exist within Space prior to the Bang? Can you give me a clue as to where it did exist? And, what occupies the space between the teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter that comprise Space? If you say teenyer, tinyer, ittyer, bittysier, teensyer, weensyer, particles of matter I just restate my question.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
There is nothing between the teeniest, tiniest, particles. The very next step would be a degeneration back into PURE (E)nergy.

What you are asking is like saying: "The ocean is made up of water molocules, what is between each water molocule?"
Why can't water be compressed? Because it is commpressed as far as it can go. Get it? []

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Just one more question Patrick; when were the Laws of Physics established? bbb, (before big bang) or atb (after time began).
Thank you for your time,
thebobgy [/quote]

They were established when there was something physical to observe AND something physical to observe them. The answer is AFTER the BANG. Prior to the BANG all that existed was PURE (E).

Does that answer your questions?

Do you have any more? []



Patrick[]

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Patrick writes; Do you have any more? []<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Questions I assume? Yes, yes I do.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Original Question; Are you saying that the BB did happen but that it did not happen at a point in time? Do you have an estimate of how long after the event threshold of the Bang beginning, Time began?

Answer; part 1of2. “That would be correct. Before the BANG the only thing that existed was PURE (E)NERGY, no space or time or matter.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

You keep refering to Energy, Space, Time and Matter, are you forgetting, Life? Are you aware that the word ”before” is a designation of time? If your model is to conform to its stated purpose then you must redefine “before” to exclude any reference to time and you must include Life. Just trying to help.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Answer, part2. (T)ime began at the very instant the BANG(conversion of m=E/c2) occurred.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Einstein formulated the equation E=MC2, However, if as you state that Mass and Time was a result of Energy conversion then the equation should read M+T=E/C2- and then when Life is included, M+T+L=E/C2- which then corrects Einstein’s to read E=M-T-LC2. Are you sure your model can support the mathematical upheaval?


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Statement. 2) Prior to the BANG S="0" meaning (S)pace does NOT exist. (S)pace is created from teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter. ONLY (E)nergy exists at this point.
Question, Are you saying that Energy did not exist within Space prior to the Bang? Can you give me a clue as to where it did exist? And, what occupies the space between the teeny, tiny, itty, bitty, teensy, weensy, particles of matter that comprise Space? If you say teenyer, tinyer, ittyer, bittysier, teensyer, weensyer, particles of matter I just restate my question.
Answer. There is nothing between the teeniest, tiniest, particles. The very next step would be a degeneration back into PURE (E)nergy.
What you are asking is like saying: "The ocean is made up of water molocules, what is between each water molocule?"
Why can't water be compressed? Because it is commpressed as far as it can go. Get it? [<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

Are you really trying to compare Space with Water? I am trying to be serious here.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Question, Just one more question Patrick; when were the Laws of Physics established? bbb, (before big bang) or atb (after time began).
Answer, They were established when there was something physical to observe AND something physical to observe them. The answer is AFTER the BANG. Prior to the BANG all that existed was PURE (E).
The Laws of physics did not start until “AFTER the BANG”?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Then the BANG never happened because, as you stated earlier that Matter, Space and Time were the result of the conversion of “m=E/c2", which, as we all know, is a Law of physics. I would suggest going back to the hobby shop and getting a new model cause this answer just blew a hole in the BB model. Sorry.

Thank you for your time.
thebobgy

In a few more years,,,,,all this Hog Wash ,,,,,smile will be swept under the carpet.

The Big Bang,,,,,,,,,,,,, out the window.

People thinking that there is an origin to the universe,,,,,out the window.

That energy was here before the formation of the universe,,,,out the window.


Years gone by, scientists once they discovered that the oceanic plates were only a few hundred million years compared to the continental plates being a few billion years. Were dum founded until someone explained that oceanic trenches recycle faster than continental plates. Therefore there dating material also got recyled.

I will lay all my cards on recyling rather than try to invent models that fit to my liking as to the workings of the universe which I call the Ongoing Universe.

Smile,,,,,,,,,I may have the ace up my sleeve just incase.


Keep Well

Harry

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by thebobgy</i>
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You keep refering to Energy, Space, Time and Matter, are you forgetting, Life? <b><u>Are you aware that the word ”before” is a designation of time?</b></u> If your model is to conform to its stated purpose then you must redefine “before” to exclude any reference to time and you must include Life. Just trying to help.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Not really sure where your confusion is coming from. At what point have I EVER said that anything came <b>BEFORE</b> (E)nergy?

BEFORE (M)atter, YES! BEFORE the BANG, YES! BEFORE PURE ENERGY, NO!

Life? Why do you need to bring life into it? Life is simply a form of (M)atter.


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Einstein formulated the equation E=MC2, However, if as you state that Mass and Time was a result of Energy conversion then the equation should read M+T=E/C2- and then when Life is included, M+T+L=E/C2- which then corrects Einstein’s to read E=M-T-LC2. Are you sure your model can support the mathematical upheaval? <hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
c2 is the (T)ime measurement. The speed of light is constant and propagates at the very same rate as (T)ime.

Like I said earlier, forget about the life element.


<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Are you really trying to compare Space with Water? I am trying to be serious here.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Is it too difficult for you? If you were in a pool of water and it was expanding as fast as you could possibly swim wouldn't it seem infinite? My example is perfectly legitimate. Do you care to argue it?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"> Question, Just one more question Patrick; when were the Laws of Physics established? bbb, (before big bang) or atb (after time began).
Answer, They were established when there was something physical to observe AND something physical to observe them. The answer is AFTER the BANG. Prior to the BANG all that existed was PURE (E).
The Laws of physics did not start until “AFTER the BANG”?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Then the BANG never happened because, as you stated earlier that Matter, Space and Time were the result of the conversion of “m=E/c2", which, as we all know, is a Law of physics. I would suggest going back to the hobby shop and getting a new model cause this answer just blew a hole in the BB model. Sorry.

Thank you for your time.
thebobgy
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EDITTED BY MARK: THE PREVIOUS STATEMENT HAS BEEN REPLACED BY, "STUPID IS AS STUPID DOES"

Patrick[]