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16 years 8 months ago #13452
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Jim</i>
<br />It seems you guys have made it all around and back to the beginning several times here-Abbot&Costello did this back in the 1940s.
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You are right Jim! This is funny as hell!
I will try to find some info on Z-bosons. This intrigues me as well.
<br />It seems you guys have made it all around and back to the beginning several times here-Abbot&Costello did this back in the 1940s.
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You are right Jim! This is funny as hell!
I will try to find some info on Z-bosons. This intrigues me as well.
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16 years 8 months ago #20528
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GD, It is laughable that anyone could think that space expands at the speed of light. When I always thought that light travels through space. Ah yes, big bang theory the expanding balloon but how could a balloon expand unless it had space to expand into---I have a hard time following that logic!
The wall at the end of the Universe, and there is nothing on the other side! Nope, not according to GD, there is no infinities here---we are just an island---and we were born from a singularity. Someday, we will all collapse back into that singularity, after all it was where we were born.
Okay, the black hole singularity at center of our galaxy has sprung a leak, I wonder how it could be that there are Antimatter Jets flowing out of the poles of the galactic vortex! Must be all that pressure from that hidden dark matter eh? Gotta love that dark matter, maybe it feeds the singularity lots of gluon force carriers, Z bosons, and atomic sandwiches...John
The wall at the end of the Universe, and there is nothing on the other side! Nope, not according to GD, there is no infinities here---we are just an island---and we were born from a singularity. Someday, we will all collapse back into that singularity, after all it was where we were born.
Okay, the black hole singularity at center of our galaxy has sprung a leak, I wonder how it could be that there are Antimatter Jets flowing out of the poles of the galactic vortex! Must be all that pressure from that hidden dark matter eh? Gotta love that dark matter, maybe it feeds the singularity lots of gluon force carriers, Z bosons, and atomic sandwiches...John
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16 years 8 months ago #20874
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I get another number very close to one, using that number for the speed of gravity of 1.16464217444E 25 Remember that I had a vector cross product, where one vector came out as being very close to one. So in effect we get F = qv So I took that force, with v being the speed of light and plugged it into the cassimer equation, using the speed of gravity rather than c. That gives us F = A / L^4 where A is the plate area and L the distance between plates. I get 0.95 for the force. As we are dealing with a radius here we should take the square root of both sides. Something almost one equals r / r^2 (give the two letter r's different subscripts)
This all suggests, to me at any rate, that the speed of gravity likes unity.
This all suggests, to me at any rate, that the speed of gravity likes unity.
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16 years 8 months ago #13455
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by cosmicsurfer</i>
<br />GD, It is laughable that anyone could think that space expands at the speed of light. When I always thought that light travels through space...
Okay, the black hole singularity at center of our galaxy has sprung a leak, I wonder how it could be that there are Antimatter Jets flowing out of the poles of the galactic vortex!...
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John,
If you don't mind, I will comment on an exerpt in one of your posts:
"...The point here is that if the Big Bang proponents are correct there is total entropy. The Universe will run down and evaporate. There is only this bandwidth of energy, nothing can go faster then the speed of light. However, ....pushing gravitons operate at minimum 20billion x speed of light in order to maintain planetary orbits around centers of gravity..."
The Big Bang proponents say that a system's entropy increases with time. The universe runs down as galaxies merge, as cluster of galaxies merge... eventually down to one location. The universe does not evaporate (the <i>law of conservation of energy </i>does not allow this).
The same way a star implodes at creation and eventually explodes at the end of its life cycle, the universe follows the same cycle.
Planetary orbits do not maintain their momentum around centers of gravity (with time it degenerates).
This example has a bigger star than our own. but <i>time</i> can have the same effect on orbital dynamics.
archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/05/10/p...nnibalism/index.html
(for our solar system, I would give it another 2 billion years)
The universe contains energy fields, light, matter... and expands through space. (it is not space that expands).
Yet... who the heck knows...
The center of the galaxy (where matter converges and converts into energy as coupling forces tend to zero), does not make matter/energy disappear!
The jets produced at the center are fed with the matter from the galaxy which reaches the black hole.
The center of the galaxy is the lowest energy potential in the whole galaxy. This is how time affects matter and causes motion.
<br />GD, It is laughable that anyone could think that space expands at the speed of light. When I always thought that light travels through space...
Okay, the black hole singularity at center of our galaxy has sprung a leak, I wonder how it could be that there are Antimatter Jets flowing out of the poles of the galactic vortex!...
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John,
If you don't mind, I will comment on an exerpt in one of your posts:
"...The point here is that if the Big Bang proponents are correct there is total entropy. The Universe will run down and evaporate. There is only this bandwidth of energy, nothing can go faster then the speed of light. However, ....pushing gravitons operate at minimum 20billion x speed of light in order to maintain planetary orbits around centers of gravity..."
The Big Bang proponents say that a system's entropy increases with time. The universe runs down as galaxies merge, as cluster of galaxies merge... eventually down to one location. The universe does not evaporate (the <i>law of conservation of energy </i>does not allow this).
The same way a star implodes at creation and eventually explodes at the end of its life cycle, the universe follows the same cycle.
Planetary orbits do not maintain their momentum around centers of gravity (with time it degenerates).
This example has a bigger star than our own. but <i>time</i> can have the same effect on orbital dynamics.
archives.cnn.com/2001/TECH/space/05/10/p...nnibalism/index.html
(for our solar system, I would give it another 2 billion years)
The universe contains energy fields, light, matter... and expands through space. (it is not space that expands).
Yet... who the heck knows...
The center of the galaxy (where matter converges and converts into energy as coupling forces tend to zero), does not make matter/energy disappear!
The jets produced at the center are fed with the matter from the galaxy which reaches the black hole.
The center of the galaxy is the lowest energy potential in the whole galaxy. This is how time affects matter and causes motion.
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16 years 8 months ago #20662
by cosmicsurfer
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Hi GD,
What you are failing to understand is the galactic vortex itself is maintaining conditions for creation of mass/atoms because of the FTL gravitons pushing towards center. Mass creational zones are near eye wall and this congestion zone is where it is hot because of all the accumulation of mass. These hot zones which is a definite region around the galactic center where atomic nucleogenesis from highest potential concentrations of gravitons is at its greatest creates galactic wind a pushing force from supernovas and nuetron star jets. The two trailing sub vortical flows push away from center because of the slower rotations as compared to the raging motion of center and from release of galactic wind. I agree with you, that life cycles do exist for all atomic structures. The difference in our understanding is that the system degenerates from not a loss of energy, because it is the very graviton motion of energy that streams through the atom that maintains the spin dynamics. But, is caused by many competing outside forces such as radiational degradation. All atomic energy is maintained by the FTL graviton flow. Even degeneration of orbits probably has more to do with increasesd isolation from overall proximity to gravitational mass concentrations influencing overall motion of gravitons and mass rotations,i.e., moving away from creational center in galactic arm causing degenerating orbits and expansion between systems---gravitons flow inwards, creates mass, mass flows slower away from fast moving center.
In a continuous creation Universe energy is cycling through the galaxy at FTL speeds. The antimatter core is moving in reverse motion producing 90 degree jets of antimatter which is most likely antigravitons travelling faster then light.
You can read my thread for a complete answer to what is going on.
The highest energy density would be in the core of the galaxy. The entropy model of Universe is based on big bang physics which does not account for adequate circulation of energy to maintain orbits, galactic motion or nucleogenesis for that matter. Gravitostatic fields from FTL gravitons sync all atomic motion to gravity well so that you do not feel the motion of planet. Time is an observation it is not an entity. Observe this, the faster the motion the slower the time as compared to your point of reference. If singularities existed they would be a zero time event. Amazing isn't it? John
What you are failing to understand is the galactic vortex itself is maintaining conditions for creation of mass/atoms because of the FTL gravitons pushing towards center. Mass creational zones are near eye wall and this congestion zone is where it is hot because of all the accumulation of mass. These hot zones which is a definite region around the galactic center where atomic nucleogenesis from highest potential concentrations of gravitons is at its greatest creates galactic wind a pushing force from supernovas and nuetron star jets. The two trailing sub vortical flows push away from center because of the slower rotations as compared to the raging motion of center and from release of galactic wind. I agree with you, that life cycles do exist for all atomic structures. The difference in our understanding is that the system degenerates from not a loss of energy, because it is the very graviton motion of energy that streams through the atom that maintains the spin dynamics. But, is caused by many competing outside forces such as radiational degradation. All atomic energy is maintained by the FTL graviton flow. Even degeneration of orbits probably has more to do with increasesd isolation from overall proximity to gravitational mass concentrations influencing overall motion of gravitons and mass rotations,i.e., moving away from creational center in galactic arm causing degenerating orbits and expansion between systems---gravitons flow inwards, creates mass, mass flows slower away from fast moving center.
In a continuous creation Universe energy is cycling through the galaxy at FTL speeds. The antimatter core is moving in reverse motion producing 90 degree jets of antimatter which is most likely antigravitons travelling faster then light.
You can read my thread for a complete answer to what is going on.
The highest energy density would be in the core of the galaxy. The entropy model of Universe is based on big bang physics which does not account for adequate circulation of energy to maintain orbits, galactic motion or nucleogenesis for that matter. Gravitostatic fields from FTL gravitons sync all atomic motion to gravity well so that you do not feel the motion of planet. Time is an observation it is not an entity. Observe this, the faster the motion the slower the time as compared to your point of reference. If singularities existed they would be a zero time event. Amazing isn't it? John
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16 years 8 months ago #11121
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This is all modeling from concepts poorly understood. If the BB depends on entrophy then understanding what entrophy is clearly tells a different story. But, no matter what model is prefered by whom the fact remains its just a model out of the mind of humans and has nothing to do with real stuff. Even well established models only work well within limits. Maybe the human mind will never be able to comprehend matters that make no sense and yet exist anyhow.
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