EXISTENCE (not creation) Ex Nihilo

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Patrick</i>
<br />Just wanted to chime in here and let everyone know that I had/have nothing to do with this. I beleive "someone" has decided to take all the stuff we have discussed here on this board in the past and create their very own "Unique" hypothesis.

Patrick[]

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Patrick -

Five years ago I was discussing the same topic on the Physics Forums. Four years ago they upgraded the board and wiped out the user database. When they brought the board back up I reincarnated as Messiah - the tag I still use on most of the science and philosophy boards I frequent.

An archive still comes up with a google search -

[url] physicsnetwork.com/pf2archive/topic.asp-...VE=&TOPIC_ID=284.htm [/url]

I am - of course - the Libshoppe (aka Messiah) referenced in this archive from 2001. The Theory of Reciprocity used to be housed as a subpage of libertyshoppe.com

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Mac</i>
<br />north,

<b>nothing is nothing is nothing". but you have chosen to ingnore your OWN conclusions.</b><hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

<font color="yellow"><b>ANS: I don't know who you are quoting but it certainly isn't me. I have never made that statement and you are not representing my conclusions at all.</b></font id="yellow">
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mac

really,then look back to Broken Circle, Dec.19 2003 pg.11 Top

messiah

i take back what i said on feb.22,2004

i misunderstood. since talking to you things are clearer.

north,

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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><b>Posted by north: nothing is nothing is nothing". but you have chosen to ingnore your OWN conclusions.

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Posted by Mac: ANS: I don't know who you are quoting but it certainly isn't me. I have never made that statement and you are not representing my conclusions at all.
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Posted by north:

mac
really,then look back to Broken Circle, Dec.19 2003 pg.11 Top

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<font color="yellow"><b>ANS: OK. I went to the trouble. Now perhaps you could explain why:

1 - You have altered the wording.

2 - Why you attempt to take the statement actually made out of context.

This was the statement and it went to counter a bizzar claim that had been made.:</font id="yellow">

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ANS: Try this. Your nothing within nothing within nothing sphere of nothing is nonsense. Wholly a fabrication. Nothing means nothing without further qualifications and in no manner suggests infinity or any other additional adjectives.
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<font color="yellow">I have subsequently defined "Nothingness" as I see it which is "Absence of time and space". What was your point of this post?</b></font id="yellow">



"Imagination is more important than Knowledge" -- Albert Einstien

mac

think about it, do you not see the condradiction?

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">talk about implying a god,from nothing-comes nothing,whatever!!<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I have no problem with the implication since my understanding of the word is that of a supreme being. Since I consider the universe to be a conceptual geometric of nothing - It only stands to reason that the word God fits this bill. Another interpretation of the word God I like to use is the concept of one. I can't think of anything more supreme than one. It is common to every entity that exist, and if I consider one to be conceptually oriented. I can't help but use the term God. I hope you weren't thinking of a God as a he that sits on a throne making important decisions about our comings and goings.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">so how does nothing have a geometry at all?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Perhaps you should be asking yourself how nothing could not.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">but it is not a COMPLETE understanding of all things obviously. whether we found "meaning" to this or that is irrelevant to the universe it does not care.how we go about giving "meaning" is up to us, the universe does not care.long before we could contemplate "existence" we were, the universe exists, like it or not.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Not sure what you meant by this, but I'll take a stab at it. All conceptual entities know that they exist ,,,, albeit rudimentary understanding of course. All that is needed is that a difference be noted. I.E. zero and one.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">I find your contention,from nothing-comes nothing absurd to say the least.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Absurd!!!!
The dickens you say!!!
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">,so do tell us what your definition of "nothing" is.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
You are the definition of nothing.
I am the definition of nothing.
The Earth is the definition of nothing.
Space is the definition of nothing.
The universe is the definition of nothing.
All the above is the existence of nothing.
That which does not exist is undefined. I.E. Has no geometric form