EXISTENCE (not creation) Ex Nihilo

Skarp

concept is the product of language and communication,which leads to understanding of things,so who or what is the ultimate conceptuallee? or what came first, matter or conceptualality?

I have just read the topic post 5 pages back. There is a beautiful old Hebrew poem that begins "In the beginning God created..." I see no compelling logic in the topic post to deny this assertion - right or wrong. (I am betting that it is right)

Duane Brown

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<br />I have just read the topic post 5 pages back. There is a beautiful old Hebrew poem that begins "In the beginning God created..." I see no compelling logic in the topic post to deny this assertion - right or wrong. (I am betting that it is right)

Duane Brown

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If there was already a god, then it wasn't the 'beginning'.

I honestly don't know. We interpret everything according to our experience in this universe. Words like beginning, for instance - what does that mean outside our universe? Does it even have a meaning? Our vocabulary does have its limitations does it not? If God created the universe then it had a beginning. God does not have an origin in terms of time, however there might be other origins in terms we know nothing about.

Duane Brown

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<br />Words like beginning, for instance - what does that mean outside our universe?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">

On this message board we define universe as "EVERYthing", so the concept of 'outside the universe' is meaningless. If something (an actual physical thing, or a conceptual thing) exists, has existed or will exist, then it is part of the universe.

By definition.

LB

No outside no inside, no beginning, no end. I guess you could say God = Universe.

Duane Brown