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10 years 1 month ago #22584 by Larry Burford
Which came first - a tree or an ear?

Other theories also postulate an 'objective' reality. DRP is one of them. (Perhaps another name change is warranted - to ORP, Objective Reality Physics)

Hmm. I suppose the word objective can be somewhat subjective, depending on who is using it and why.

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10 years 1 month ago #22684 by pareidoliac
Replied by pareidoliac on topic Reply from fred ressler
The tree and the ear are both necessary for each other. They co-create each other. All things create the universe and are created by it. A separate tree or separate ear is a Cartesian idea which does coincide with "Objective Reality Physics."
Objective is what is with no interpreter. With no interpreter the object can not exist. This sounds a lot like the Hindu idea of everything being illusion. What is actually going on is - what we call nothing (an idea) is more something than what we call something (material). David Bohm calls this "nothing" the plenum.

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10 years 1 month ago #22406 by Larry Burford
<b>[rderosa] "There are no artifacts on Mars, because if there were, we'd have thousands of images of them, analogous to this:"</b>

(From your recent post with the Madrid satellite image)

Perhaps it would be a bit more accurate to say there are no human scale artifacts on Mars? Cars and houses are larger than a human and ought to show up in that picture. Shovels are smaller and should not.

A human might.

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But to the point of the believers - what if 'they' used supernatural forces to build, and built for supernatural reasons? Would we recognize such constructions as constructions?

The believers obviously do.

If they left behind the supernatural equivalent of a shovel, would we recognize it as a tool?

The believers have never claimed to see such, so either there are none or 'they' don't leave stuff behind when they leave. Or maybe some other reason.

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These are not actually rhetorical questions. But for now they have no answer beyond speculation. Speculation is fun (well, some of us think it is) and can be educational.



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10 years 1 month ago #22371 by Larry Burford
Solipsism. Yawn.

Maybe I am dreaming all of this. Will you be mad if I wake up?

And you go poof.

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10 years 1 month ago #22372 by pareidoliac
Replied by pareidoliac on topic Reply from fred ressler
Solipsism = yes.
Dreaming= yes.
Mad= no (Newtonian/Cartesian). In objective reality all is. Positive and negative are man's ideas.
Poof= If you go the universe will end as far as you are concerned. Me and my universe will still be here till i go- then back to the plenum where we all go and came from. We are not born into the universe from some other universe.
One may tend to think the daytime is not a dream because it seems more ration/ logical and less surreal. This is merely a test to see if one can see deeper.

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10 years 1 month ago #22373 by Larry Burford
If I'm the dreamer, then by definition you are not.

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I wake up and you go poof.

It works the other way as well. If you are the dreamer then I go poof.

And if Richard is the dreamer we both go poof.

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