My pareidolia knows no bounds.

Will the real dreamer please raise your hand?

Each of us and the universe are dreaming each other.

<b> [pareidoliac]
"The tree and the ear are both necessary for each other. They co-create each other."
"All things create the universe and are created by it."
"Each of us and the universe are dreaming each other."</b>

That's not solipsism. That's just a poorly thought out objective reality. Most likely put forth by a solipsist who was unable to answer some hard questions about solipsism.

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Lots of wasted energy.
In your theory the things that I dream about exist outside of / independently of me.

And they also do this in my theory.

Dreams are part of not separate from anything. This is David Bohm's theory of the hologramatic universe. Nothing is ever wasted except in the eye's of narrow minded men.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by Larry Burford</i>
<br />But to the point of the believers - what if 'they' used supernatural forces to build, and built for supernatural reasons? Would we recognize such constructions as constructions?

The believers obviously do.

If they left behind the supernatural equivalent of a shovel, would we recognize it as a tool?

The believers have never claimed to see such, so either there are none or 'they' don't leave stuff behind when they leave. Or maybe some other reason.

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But that's not what most believers claim. Most claim they are seeing normal (normal for a human observer) artifacts, like "clowns" and "princes" and "statues" and "pyramids" and so on.

But us? We keep squinting, "they must be in there <b>SOMEWHERE!"</b>

rd

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by pareidoliac</i>
<br />Each of us and the universe are dreaming each other.
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> If I dream I pushed you off a cliff, or shot you, or something else quite fatal in my dream world, what happens to you? Do you wake up? Die? Are you dreaming you got pushed off the cliff my me and died?

Seems all so coincidental to make any sense.

I think Objective Reality makes much more sense. As Ayn Rand (quoting Aristotle) put it:

<i> <ul><li>Existence exists. </li><li>A thing is itself (A is A) </li><li>I exist capable of perceiving existence (where bullets kill and trees make noise when they fall, regardless of who is there to hear them - by compressing air). </li></ul></i>

rd