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Speeding away
21 years 5 months ago #6028
by Gregg
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A few points:
1) The rational axiom is proof positive, not proof negative.
2) There are a half a dozen potential causes for a universal "red shift" in light as distance increases.
3) What are the odds that we are the center of the universe, when there is no logical evidence that existence has boundaries?
4) Why does existence have to be "impossible"? i.e. either the universe is exploding or imploding - according to mainstream models.
Gregg Wilson
1) The rational axiom is proof positive, not proof negative.
2) There are a half a dozen potential causes for a universal "red shift" in light as distance increases.
3) What are the odds that we are the center of the universe, when there is no logical evidence that existence has boundaries?
4) Why does existence have to be "impossible"? i.e. either the universe is exploding or imploding - according to mainstream models.
Gregg Wilson
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21 years 5 months ago #5830
by Jright
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I'm assuming somewhere along the line this idea was dumped entirely because proof positive came to pass, but so far it would seem this evidence has vanished. Surely there must be something out there that makes this idea dead in the water.
If this idea is still on the table - being close to the center of the universe is'nt all that hard to explain away. I'm looking forward to other responses with some meat.
If this idea is still on the table - being close to the center of the universe is'nt all that hard to explain away. I'm looking forward to other responses with some meat.
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21 years 5 months ago #6031
by Jright
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I guess I will assume there is nothing that refutes the possibility that galaxies are actually moving away at higher rates the farther you peer into space.
It's time to compose a model to fit this description - complete with an explanation of how distant galaxies would appear to be farther away than expected following Hubbles law.
One must be compelled to look for a new model as opposed to the existing one - for the existing one has relegated itself to the fantasy world. I can't accept a universe that slows down and then speeds up. Where we start grabbing at straws to keep it afloat - the likes of dark matter and dark energy to name but two. The Big Bang model it would seem ...is heading for the junk pile.....used up like a spent whore. Time to find a new lady for the evening.
It's time to compose a model to fit this description - complete with an explanation of how distant galaxies would appear to be farther away than expected following Hubbles law.
One must be compelled to look for a new model as opposed to the existing one - for the existing one has relegated itself to the fantasy world. I can't accept a universe that slows down and then speeds up. Where we start grabbing at straws to keep it afloat - the likes of dark matter and dark energy to name but two. The Big Bang model it would seem ...is heading for the junk pile.....used up like a spent whore. Time to find a new lady for the evening.
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21 years 5 months ago #6032
by north
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if you go the web site www.infinite-energy.com you can get one of their back issues The Big Bang BUSTED!(volume8.issue46.2002) it gives the top 30 problems with this theory.
i look at this speeding away problem this way, what if you were on a planet in another galaxy and you were looking at the Earth,would the Earth not seem as though it was speeding from you and would this perspective in a sense seem to cancel out each perspective, leaving a sort of static situation?! then of course leaving the question of what this red shift really means?
if you go the web site www.infinite-energy.com you can get one of their back issues The Big Bang BUSTED!(volume8.issue46.2002) it gives the top 30 problems with this theory.
i look at this speeding away problem this way, what if you were on a planet in another galaxy and you were looking at the Earth,would the Earth not seem as though it was speeding from you and would this perspective in a sense seem to cancel out each perspective, leaving a sort of static situation?! then of course leaving the question of what this red shift really means?
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21 years 5 months ago #5840
by Jim
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If you observed the redshift from anywhere-say a billion light years from here-would it look any different than it does here? The observer at any point in the universe would see the same redshift-right?
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21 years 5 months ago #6033
by north
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If you observed the redshift from anywhere-say a billion light years from here-would it look any different than it does here? The observer at any point in the universe would see the same redshift-right?
jim
thats the way i figure it!!
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If you observed the redshift from anywhere-say a billion light years from here-would it look any different than it does here? The observer at any point in the universe would see the same redshift-right?
jim
thats the way i figure it!!
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