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So I will try this again. New matter is fountaining out in random directions from a particular point. New matter is closer to the center than we are and older matter is farther out? Doesn't this require creation from nothing? Where is this new matter coming from? Or does the old matter out toward the edge disappear and reappear in the center in a continual cycle?


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No - New matter is not fountaining in random directions. It is essentially moving away from center. It begins it's journey moving away from center at the outer edge at or near the speed of light - to be slowed by the rest of the universe.

No _ New matter is at the outer edge - Old matter is closest to center.

There is an infinite amount of matter available beyond the outer edge of space. Think of it this way. Their are two realities to our universe (initially) (Zero and Infinity). I.E. An infinitely small space surrounded by comparison to an infinitely large mass. Each maintains the others identity. Whether space is the size of an orange, or a bazillion light years in diameter changes nothing in regards to this comparison. The indentity of space remains the same when compared to the infinitely large. The infinitely large mass (that can never be observed) is the source of all individual units of mass - They are simply put (parts of the infinity large mass. Each individual unit is recognized within the ever growing infinitely small space.

No - New matter is not fountaining in random directions. It is essentially moving away from center. It begins it's journey moving away from center at the outer edge at or near the speed of light - to be slowed by the rest of the universe.

No _ New matter is at the outer edge - Old matter is closest to center.

There is an infinite amount of matter available beyond the outer edge of space. Think of it this way. Their are two realities to our universe (initially) (Zero and Infinity). I.E. An infinitely small space surrounded by comparison to an infinitely large mass. Each maintains the others identity. Whether space is the size of an orange, or a bazillion light years in diameter changes nothing in regards to this comparison. The indentity of space remains the same when compared to the infinitely large. The infinitely large mass (that can never be observed) is the source of all individual units of mass - They are simply put (parts of the infinity large mass. Each individual unit is recognized within the ever growing infinitely small space.


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jright

where is this centre and/or edge that all this matter is coming from and how can you tell?,what is your evidence,also why is it moving with the speed of light,where is the energy coming from to get it moving this fast,also like i said before,where are all red,blue and everything inbetween,doppler shifts in light?

actually there is evidence that new matter is being formed all around us,or at minimum as i said before in the centre of galaxies themselves.

how can you have a mass that is larger than the space it needs to exist?,from what i understand this is impossible,also i see this statement in away a contradiction,since mass needs space to exist,no matter how rarefied it might be,and since you have a mass larger than the space it needs to exist,implies to me that you really have are two spaces,one, with no mass (smaller),two,a space that is larger with mass,you have alot of thinking to do!! have fun!!

North

This matter would be beyond our scope. It is unobservable. It's location would be at the outer edge. If we could travel at the speed of light - we could never get to it...because it is receding away from us at C. The edge of space that is.

Why at C? Could be a random speed set forth at the beginning.

As to the matter being larger than the space it needs to exist - I don't have a good answer to that. I don't consider it a dead end though. It's no more troubling than calling for dark energy in the Big Bang model to explain the unexplainable.

I consider it more than worth it to examine other possible models considering the Big Bang is looking more and more like a cooked goose. It's the best model yet, but my gut tells me it will turn out to be wrong.

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North

This matter would be beyond our scope. It is unobservable. It's location would be at the outer edge. If we could travel at the speed of light - we could never get to it...because it is receding away from us at C. The edge of space that is.

Why at C? Could be a random speed set forth at the beginning.

As to the matter being larger than the space it needs to exist - I don't have a good answer to that. I don't consider it a dead end though. It's no more troubling than calling for dark energy in the Big Bang model to explain the unexplainable.

I consider it more than worth it to examine other possible models considering the Big Bang is looking more and more like a cooked goose. It's the best model yet, but my gut tells me it will turn out to be wrong.






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jright

don't you see that what you are saying is based on the BB.if not, explain yourself better,for what is the essence of your central point of growth at the speed of light.there must be cause,certainly must be something.i don't agree with the BB either,but i am not sure where your energy comes from,to produce the speed of light.

This model has no similarities to the BB other than what is observed. We all see the same thing. The difference comes from what we don't see - The speculation as to how or why what we see came to be the way we see it.

The BB has everything in what seems to be an infinitely small box....then does the equivalent of letting it all out at once.

My model has everything in what seems to be an infinitely large box....then does the equivalent of shaking the box - Whereby the ingredients Space (nothing) center of box and Mass (infinity) are mixed. This eternal ongoing process (mix) gives us the finite objects we see, and we will continue to see more (mixing) over time.

You are asking for a cause - If I remove the infinitely large box...one would expect to find a cause. I submit to you that it is a concept (thought). The common thread to what is real and what is not.

The concept of ONE. It constitutes the seperation of zero and infinity (space and matter), and also facilitates the value of the finite to the emptyness of space on which we reside. It should not to be confused as the result of the difference, but rather the creator of the difference that makes all things possible.

jright

i would like to suggest you speak to Steven Rado,at www.aethro-kinematics.com i think you two sort of think the same,i maybe wrong but give it a chance.let me know what you think of my suggestion!!