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The entropy of systems
19 years 11 months ago #11844
by GD
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Hello North,
Could it be that everything comes down to only one question:
How does heat (disorganized energy) gets reorganized again ?
Could it be that everything comes down to only one question:
How does heat (disorganized energy) gets reorganized again ?
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19 years 11 months ago #11792
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GD</i>
<br />Hello North,
Could it be that everything comes down to only one question:
How does heat (disorganized energy) gets reorganized again ?
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simlpy,heat is the movement of plasma states from the result of the enviroment in which it resides and it time, in the enviroment in which it will reside.
heat is just a state of plasma. and plasma has electromagnetism, elecric field,electric currents,current sheets,kinetic energy,electron energy,densties, and more.
also the configurations of magnetic fields and currents. toroidal and axial. and their consequences.
GD its complex, but i'm just scratching the surface.
right now i'm reading a book by Hannes Alfven Cosmic Plasma(1981)for those interested the ISBN # 9-0277-1151-8(kluwer, the language of science). perhaps out of date but a start,once i grasp the essence of his thought and experiments(experiments, an absolute must to truly understanding plasmas, this is true because it has been proven that thought alone CANNOT grasp the full understanding of plasmas because of the scales involved, things can change when going from small scale to galaxy scale) moving to more up to date information will be easier.
<br />Hello North,
Could it be that everything comes down to only one question:
How does heat (disorganized energy) gets reorganized again ?
<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
simlpy,heat is the movement of plasma states from the result of the enviroment in which it resides and it time, in the enviroment in which it will reside.
heat is just a state of plasma. and plasma has electromagnetism, elecric field,electric currents,current sheets,kinetic energy,electron energy,densties, and more.
also the configurations of magnetic fields and currents. toroidal and axial. and their consequences.
GD its complex, but i'm just scratching the surface.
right now i'm reading a book by Hannes Alfven Cosmic Plasma(1981)for those interested the ISBN # 9-0277-1151-8(kluwer, the language of science). perhaps out of date but a start,once i grasp the essence of his thought and experiments(experiments, an absolute must to truly understanding plasmas, this is true because it has been proven that thought alone CANNOT grasp the full understanding of plasmas because of the scales involved, things can change when going from small scale to galaxy scale) moving to more up to date information will be easier.
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19 years 11 months ago #11758
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by north</i>
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simlpy,heat is the movement of plasma states from the result of the enviroment in which it resides and it time, in the enviroment in which it will reside.
heat is just a state of plasma.
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I think heat is not just a state of plasma. Or if it is ,it would be its highest entropy, most disorderly form of energy.
I see heat as being "information loss" from the atom. It has no position, speed, ... etc., that is: if it isn't transferred to other atoms.
To me, this is an irreversible process, unless there is a mechanism which makes this happen otherwise.
All of this because of beta radiation: James Chadwick (1914) observed that when an electron is expelled from the atom, it has no fixed energy level.
Wolfgang Pauli (1930) saved the universe and " the energy conservation principle" when he introduced the neutrino.
Was this a mistake ?
What people are trying to save is not the energy conservation principle but rather conservation of mass (or matter).
There will always be energy in the universe, but the proportions of matter (organized energy) and heat (disorganized energy)will probably vary with time.
An accelerating universe implies that momentum of the atom in its organized form is not conserved.
But...... I might be wrong.
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simlpy,heat is the movement of plasma states from the result of the enviroment in which it resides and it time, in the enviroment in which it will reside.
heat is just a state of plasma.
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I think heat is not just a state of plasma. Or if it is ,it would be its highest entropy, most disorderly form of energy.
I see heat as being "information loss" from the atom. It has no position, speed, ... etc., that is: if it isn't transferred to other atoms.
To me, this is an irreversible process, unless there is a mechanism which makes this happen otherwise.
All of this because of beta radiation: James Chadwick (1914) observed that when an electron is expelled from the atom, it has no fixed energy level.
Wolfgang Pauli (1930) saved the universe and " the energy conservation principle" when he introduced the neutrino.
Was this a mistake ?
What people are trying to save is not the energy conservation principle but rather conservation of mass (or matter).
There will always be energy in the universe, but the proportions of matter (organized energy) and heat (disorganized energy)will probably vary with time.
An accelerating universe implies that momentum of the atom in its organized form is not conserved.
But...... I might be wrong.
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19 years 11 months ago #10993
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What's intriguing about our solar system is its age: being only 4.5 to 5 billion years old. If we suppose that it formed from hydrogen atoms, where did this hydrogen come from so late in the evolution of the universe ?
Another mystery is concerning the center of our galaxy: are the energy particles ejected at light speeds from this area disorganized and then become organized as they slow down ?
(Could this be the answer to the first question ?)
North, How do you see the evolution of our solar system with respect to the plasma state of matter ? Are plasmas affected by position in our galaxy ? (Is there a reason why there is more plasma near the center of a galaxy for example.)
Another mystery is concerning the center of our galaxy: are the energy particles ejected at light speeds from this area disorganized and then become organized as they slow down ?
(Could this be the answer to the first question ?)
North, How do you see the evolution of our solar system with respect to the plasma state of matter ? Are plasmas affected by position in our galaxy ? (Is there a reason why there is more plasma near the center of a galaxy for example.)
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19 years 11 months ago #11759
by north
GD
how about reading and giving Plasmas and Cosmic Plasmas a chance, it's quite apparent you have not.(and at this point their explanation would be better than mine) why,i do not know, but the fact is, the reality of plasmas are unavoidable. and you have been avoiding a deeper understanding of plasmas.
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how about reading and giving Plasmas and Cosmic Plasmas a chance, it's quite apparent you have not.(and at this point their explanation would be better than mine) why,i do not know, but the fact is, the reality of plasmas are unavoidable. and you have been avoiding a deeper understanding of plasmas.
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19 years 11 months ago #11845
by GD
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North,
I would like your perspective, not theirs.
They obviously do not have all the answers since you were questioning some of this.
It would be great to see what your solutions are.
I would like your perspective, not theirs.
They obviously do not have all the answers since you were questioning some of this.
It would be great to see what your solutions are.
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