The entropy of systems

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GD</i> - 13 Nov 2006 : 17:48
<br />You will have to notice in most definitions, the terms: "could be", "may be" etc. are used because of an unclear concept such as entropy.
Larry,
Would you say that the definition in the following link is right or wrong?
Are they saying there is a relationship between temperature, entropy, and energy?
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absolute_temperature
Please go to -Derivations of thermodynamic temperature.
"... the thermodynamic temperature is the rate increase of entropy with energy."
I must have misunderstood something there also. Please correct me if I am wrong.
So the only divergence we have is the following: what is temperature.
I say: energy released by the atom
you say: energy released from the collision between atoms.
I say: Varying energy is sufficient to provide a force.
you say: a force is required to move an object.
What would come first: the motion of the atom or the collision?
In the universe, what comes first: the motion or the collision?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">GD, I have read your Post and referred to the link provided, (excellent link btw) and with your permission I will rephrase the question; “What would come first: the motion of the atom or the collision?” to read, motion causes collisions which causes friction which causes heat which causes motion which causes... Of these 4, motion, collision, friction and heat; which came first? If that was the intent of your question I would answer...motion! If that was not your intent then disregard this post. I am not trying to disrupt your exchange with Larry <i>et al</i>. I do however, find your reasoning interesting.
thebobgy

Yes, I say motion also.

I am also saying that motion is achieved at the expense of energy.
This is why there is no dark energy, dark matter, gravitons, neutrinos.... and all these elsyium components of physics.

The atom "decays" with time.

If varying energy in a mass produces a force, do you understand what gravity is ?

Finally, I think I have the right equation.
I will say it in words, and I'll leave the equation for you to write Larry:

VARYING energy means varying mass with acceleration.

or

acceleration of a mass is produced by varying its energy content.

or

the inertia of a mass varies with time (or changing position).

These definitions are all equivalent.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GD</i> 15 Nov 2006 : 18:25
<br />If varying energy in a mass produces a force, do you understand what gravity is ?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote"> Yes! I understand what gravity is, but no, I do not understand how it works. Does gravity push or pull? My answer would depend on who is asking and if am I under a threat of torture.
About your phrase; “If varying energy in a mass produces a force,..” I am sorry GD but the phrase is either an incomplete statement or an incomplete question and I honestly can not connect the statement, or the question, to whether or not I understand gravity. I have a self imposed duty to honestly and truthfully answer any question put to me and I will not respond to a question with an inane return question or a foolish answer. So, if you will restate your phrase I will be glad to respond.
thebobgy

I would say it is a pull or falling action, but by modifying the energy state of the atom.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by GD</i>
<br />I would say it is a pull or falling action, but by modifying the energy state of the atom.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">GD, torture of the mind works so I will totally agree with you.
thebobgy