The entropy of systems

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17 years 11 months ago #19144 by GD
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Tom:Spin or orbit?
GD: Spin.

Tom:Speed Relative to what?
GD: Relative to the nucleus.

Tom: Kinetic energy relative to what?
GD: Relative to the nucleus.

Tom: Does this speed vary with time, heat, pressure?[/quote]Time: it depends on the "what".
GD: The "what" is the nucleus.

TOM: Heat, pressure: undefined in an electron.
GD: I say they affect the nucleus.

Tom: Have fun.
GD: I am.

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17 years 11 months ago #19267 by GD
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Ah Ha!

That explains why I keep falling through my chair when I sit down.
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No, this explains why the atoms in your body are accelerating.
(and always will be.)

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17 years 11 months ago #19033 by GD
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Are we understanding this yet?

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17 years 11 months ago #18987 by Stoat
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Here's a couple of equations from Robert Carroll, that I think we should take a look at.

T = MC^2 / K [1- (sqrt1-V^2 / C^2)]

S = K loge [1- (sqrt1-V^2 / C^2)]

Where S is entropy and K is the Boltzmann constant.

For V = 0 we have minus infinity, and for V = C we have zero entropy. Now, it might sound strange that we have the speed of light at absolute zero but consider. Place an atom in a space of absolute zero. It has to ingest its electrons into the nucleus, which in turn turns the protons into neutrons and the whole thing turns into a cosmic ray firework of pi mesons and neutrinos.

At zero, in theory nothing further can happen, we can't have a negative temperature or negative mass. So let's say that we can have a negative refractive index. Now pop into the equation for entropy our 20 billion times the speed of light graviton. Square the whole thing, to get rid of the "j" then take the root. Our graph now doesn't go through the origin but crosses the axis at about 10E -22

This would mean that zero entropy is not the same as absolute zero. Actually this is the common wisdom, helium II is said to be at zero entropy rather than absolute zero but as a bosonic substance it should be at absolute zero, zpe stops it supposedly.

Here there is an energy resevoir in the vacuum over that of zpe. So, an atom in space of absolute zero will ingest electrons, emit cosmic rays but then stop. Stops where, I've no idea, but hydrogen would be rather nice. An inferential clue perhaps to what the speed of gravity is.

Another thing that would be good to discuss, is the rather coy concept of the phonon. It travels at the speed of sound in the medium. Phonons from micro bubbles emit ultra violet, the speed of sound is here close to, if not, the speed of light; this is usually explained as a zpe thing as well. How does a faster than light graviton differ from a faster than light phonon? I ask this because it suggests to me, standing wave interactions with sub light matter.

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17 years 11 months ago #19037 by GD
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If the non-equilibrium state of the universe is true then:

Energy in a system has to vary continually. In other words the atom's energy state is changing continually. How else can motion be achieved when the only component in the universe is energy?

The changing energy state of the atom means its electron speed varies continually with changing position. When the speed of electrons slow down below a certain limit, this modifies their orbit giving off energy in the process.
Do you see any other reason?
Wouldn't this explain all motion and energy state in the universe?

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17 years 11 months ago #19075 by Stoat
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I hope you're not asking me [:)] I don't like to pronounce on anything, as I'm inordinately thick[8D] If I could find a theory that explained consciousness in the universe, as being for the sole purpose of laying about like a loppy dog, eating junk food and watching its t.v. equivalent, I'd retire to my armchair a happy bunny [:D]

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