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16 years 9 months ago #19847
by Stoat
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Hi John, somewhere in one of those posts, I said that the little dimples were sub quantum energy density variations. That was because I thought, well they've got to be very small to fit all the galaxies in. Then I thought I'd check to see what the dimple size would be if I threw 125 billion galaxies, with a multiplier of 100 for the gaps between them, into a sphere of the compton radius. It works out that the dimples are about a billion times larger than h. So if we say that there are about a billion suns in each, then a sun comes out at this scale as being about h. Of course I haven't worked it out yet for the proposed directly proportional increase in the speed of gravity with radius. This is just a ball park figure for a uniform packing of galaxies. More galaxies can be packed into a shell near the edge of our particle. We can get 500 billion dimples in there in that case but at the edge they would be so tightly packed, that matter in the form of galaxies could never condense into a galaxy form.
With this, what I'm doing, is to take two types of "space" and mix them up. That's a viscoelastic, a non newtonian liquid.
I'm not sure why you are against the idea of a trillion year wave of destruction and creation. To us it's a thing of sheer terror but to the next scale up it's ten to the minus twentieth of a second. The particle doesn't become a new particle with each charge revolution. it bears no relationship to a bang crunch cycle, in that "information" is conserved in the next higher scale.
That's why I suggest the universe is clever. it "knows" everything there is to know about itself through all scales. At one point I had each scale being exactly the same as the next. Everything I do in one has been, or is about to be done in the others. I did that to point out that in no way could I access that information and use it to avoid stepping in front of that bus. It would be simply too fast to comprehend. Can the universe access the information? if the scales are identical, isn't that an absurdly redundant repetition? Much more likely is that the universe "thinks" every thought imaginable.
The Dalai Lama would probably give the thumbs up to this but I doubt whether it would go down a bundle with the self appointed spokesmen for god. Who would have us believe that god spends his fretful hours making sure that all of his little e.t.'s have their hands glued to the duvet, in case they go blind. [][8D][}]
With this, what I'm doing, is to take two types of "space" and mix them up. That's a viscoelastic, a non newtonian liquid.
I'm not sure why you are against the idea of a trillion year wave of destruction and creation. To us it's a thing of sheer terror but to the next scale up it's ten to the minus twentieth of a second. The particle doesn't become a new particle with each charge revolution. it bears no relationship to a bang crunch cycle, in that "information" is conserved in the next higher scale.
That's why I suggest the universe is clever. it "knows" everything there is to know about itself through all scales. At one point I had each scale being exactly the same as the next. Everything I do in one has been, or is about to be done in the others. I did that to point out that in no way could I access that information and use it to avoid stepping in front of that bus. It would be simply too fast to comprehend. Can the universe access the information? if the scales are identical, isn't that an absurdly redundant repetition? Much more likely is that the universe "thinks" every thought imaginable.
The Dalai Lama would probably give the thumbs up to this but I doubt whether it would go down a bundle with the self appointed spokesmen for god. Who would have us believe that god spends his fretful hours making sure that all of his little e.t.'s have their hands glued to the duvet, in case they go blind. [][8D][}]
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16 years 9 months ago #20855
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Hi Stoat, Why would there have to be overall destruction creation cycles at all? In a continuous creation model there is constant exchange not a sweeping change from some super wave front that spins through all of forward time. Your scale logic is great, keep going with your thoughts this is important to explore.
Subscales of matter and antimatter are in balanced rotations. Higher scale motions and the bubbles surrounding the lower scales are also in paired rotations. They might be more saucer shaped with axis circles tying the two positive and negative motions together with a larger circle around the two charges. Larger multiple levels then would wrap up those zones in positive and negative space motion. I think the cycling of GRAVITONS in this realm is the power source for all motion, and pathways of rotation would form a torus plasma ring of charged space that the particular bubble would move through. In Forward Time, Positive charged space [ANTIGRAVITONS] in the plasma ring would be in front of the moving bubble and negative charged space [GRAVITONS] would be in front of the opposite charged Reverse Time Bubble. Graviton cycles would be drawn through the vertical [collapsing into all mass from above and from below causing mass rotations] axis circles in this ring motion with Antigravitons leaving going back around to other side. Alright!!!! Thank you Stoat, I can see the graph now!
Let's again look at the logic behind the Big Bang. Now we have what appears to be space expanding on the balloon faster at first then slower and now is expanding at the speed of light! The missing mass dark matter provides a supposed repulsive force and is blamed for the continued space expansion. In a reciprocal motion model of Universe there is a cascade forming new scales, not a big bang. All matter is paired in motion with antimatter and the only reason anything exists is because of this separation caused by the increased spin dynamics generating huge multiple scale energy exchange through out all forward and reverse time realms as it attempts to collapse back to zero. It is always in a continuous creation mode all the time with hotspots near centers of galactic rotations creating trailing arms of regions of rotations of sub vortical mass assemblies with suns, supernova's, and all of this creation is constantly changing as the higher energies that pour into all mass also maintain subscale atomic regeneration. So that not only will we observe an expansion in Orion’s Arm with our solar system moving away from center because of its slower forward motion of approximately 1.4 million miles per hour through space which is less then the 4.4 million miles per hour our milky way core is moving at, but we will also observe the SUPER Galactic Arm of VISIBLE UNIVERSE moving at extreme speeds expanding space at speeds of light as this arm moves away from the CORE. John
Subscales of matter and antimatter are in balanced rotations. Higher scale motions and the bubbles surrounding the lower scales are also in paired rotations. They might be more saucer shaped with axis circles tying the two positive and negative motions together with a larger circle around the two charges. Larger multiple levels then would wrap up those zones in positive and negative space motion. I think the cycling of GRAVITONS in this realm is the power source for all motion, and pathways of rotation would form a torus plasma ring of charged space that the particular bubble would move through. In Forward Time, Positive charged space [ANTIGRAVITONS] in the plasma ring would be in front of the moving bubble and negative charged space [GRAVITONS] would be in front of the opposite charged Reverse Time Bubble. Graviton cycles would be drawn through the vertical [collapsing into all mass from above and from below causing mass rotations] axis circles in this ring motion with Antigravitons leaving going back around to other side. Alright!!!! Thank you Stoat, I can see the graph now!
Let's again look at the logic behind the Big Bang. Now we have what appears to be space expanding on the balloon faster at first then slower and now is expanding at the speed of light! The missing mass dark matter provides a supposed repulsive force and is blamed for the continued space expansion. In a reciprocal motion model of Universe there is a cascade forming new scales, not a big bang. All matter is paired in motion with antimatter and the only reason anything exists is because of this separation caused by the increased spin dynamics generating huge multiple scale energy exchange through out all forward and reverse time realms as it attempts to collapse back to zero. It is always in a continuous creation mode all the time with hotspots near centers of galactic rotations creating trailing arms of regions of rotations of sub vortical mass assemblies with suns, supernova's, and all of this creation is constantly changing as the higher energies that pour into all mass also maintain subscale atomic regeneration. So that not only will we observe an expansion in Orion’s Arm with our solar system moving away from center because of its slower forward motion of approximately 1.4 million miles per hour through space which is less then the 4.4 million miles per hour our milky way core is moving at, but we will also observe the SUPER Galactic Arm of VISIBLE UNIVERSE moving at extreme speeds expanding space at speeds of light as this arm moves away from the CORE. John
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16 years 9 months ago #20778
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Does anyone know anything about the Feigenbaum number?
As we get closer to the edge of our sub atomic "universe" I've been assuming an exponential curve for the speed of gravity. But, as I'm saying that the energy density dimples are more chaotic nearer the edge, that the onion skins are becoming thinner and thinner, then that number might be important. It's pi + arctan(e^pi) in radians, 4.6692
John, the destruction would be of any remaining energy density variations after a trillion years. The particle itself never losses any energy. Stars die and over time the galaxies will go out. We would be left with lumps of cold dead matter. As the charge comes round again for a new cycle it clears out all of this old rubbish. The particle can then have new galaxies in it for as long as it exists. Which is to all intents and purposes, forever.
As we get closer to the edge of our sub atomic "universe" I've been assuming an exponential curve for the speed of gravity. But, as I'm saying that the energy density dimples are more chaotic nearer the edge, that the onion skins are becoming thinner and thinner, then that number might be important. It's pi + arctan(e^pi) in radians, 4.6692
John, the destruction would be of any remaining energy density variations after a trillion years. The particle itself never losses any energy. Stars die and over time the galaxies will go out. We would be left with lumps of cold dead matter. As the charge comes round again for a new cycle it clears out all of this old rubbish. The particle can then have new galaxies in it for as long as it exists. Which is to all intents and purposes, forever.
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16 years 9 months ago #20856
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Hi Stoat, Have you noticed that mass is contained in spirals? You are missing the point, the dead stars yes are recycled they do not leave the galaxy! If a star system did exist outside of a galaxy there still would require critical mass for higher circuit graviton cycle to be maintained. Near centers of galaxies HOT ZONES of greater interactions create new stars. I totally agree that galaxies go out and decay into aether components, however without the greater cycling of GRAVITONS causing mass regeneration any particle dies very quickly and will totally disappear. There is no charge coming around again, it is always coming around into mass otherwise if the process stops then matter instantly disappears. Unless there is a huge collision disrupting mass regeneration processes between two systems in motion, mass regeneration cycle will continue until the star nears a boundary or dead zones and has lost the connection to higher scale GRAVITON regenerative cycle. Mass cannot exist without higher circuits period, so cold dead matter is still being regenerated but only because the circuits are still partially operating. So I understand the idea of a bubble around our scale being a large BEC particle, but I do not understand where you are getting this trillion year cycle of charge destruction from? John
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16 years 9 months ago #15065
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HYPERDIMENSIONAL MECHANICS OF MOTION:
The mechanics of motion from Solar System design, Galactic Mass distribution, to Super Galactic visible universe in Large Scale motion operates as a 3D matrix of visible spectrum that not only is in motion within PLASMA RINGS of differentially charged space but the very 3D matrix itself exists because of and is formed from 4D looped hyper-dimensional GRAVITON and ANTIGRAVITON interactions. These looped circuits extend the dimensional window from 4D upwards towards an infinity of dimensional scales.
IO ORBIT PLASMA TORUS
What I figured out from discussion with Stoat is that the Antigraviton does not go backwards in time but is in front of forward time. Here is why, because GRAVITONS operate in 4D space they are FTL and the spin factors generate HFTL and therefore are not visible in our 3D space. Our entire scale of 3D space races around a plasma torus. Infront of this bubble we will find the faster ANTIGRAVITONS racing towards the Antimatter portion of our scale. The reverse will be true in that a pocket of GRAVITONS will be racing towards our forward time bubble. Most likely, we should find that all objects in orbit will because of the 4D TORUS overlay operate as an instantaneous structure creating pathways of continuous charged space that 3D mass races around. Tubes of force then extend at 4D rates of motion directly through everything prior to impacts of 3D objects.
Here is an example of tubes of force in an electric arc following the magnetic lines from Jupiter's auroral polar rings through IO's poles.
SOURCE OF PICTURES: www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-2...ryDayAfter-Part2.htm
This same principle most likely operates on large scales with for example graviton cascades from 4D space cascading in giant ring currents along vertical axis into the MATTER portion of PLASMA TORUS connecting with 4D SOURCE. Forward and reverse motion portions of this scale literally are balanced across vast distances of space from each other as they perpetually cycle higher scale energy.
The next big question in understanding scale motion mechanics is to figure out what higher motion scales might graphically look like in comparison to our scale of motion. I think that we have to incorporate multiple dimensionality in this explanation, even though each individual scale of motion most likely is three dimensional. However, in reference to our scale these higher state motions are invisible and represent a new set of dimensional qualities that operate outside of our 3D space. Therefore, we might have to annotate the 3D space with subsequent hyperdimensional qualities that overlay our space motion. I will do some research to see if there is any current logical dimensional system already in use that might help in describing these higher state motions. If anyone knows of any please post. Also, sub particle pairing especially group pairing might provide a possible diagram of how these larger scale motions are arranged. John W. Rickey
The mechanics of motion from Solar System design, Galactic Mass distribution, to Super Galactic visible universe in Large Scale motion operates as a 3D matrix of visible spectrum that not only is in motion within PLASMA RINGS of differentially charged space but the very 3D matrix itself exists because of and is formed from 4D looped hyper-dimensional GRAVITON and ANTIGRAVITON interactions. These looped circuits extend the dimensional window from 4D upwards towards an infinity of dimensional scales.
IO ORBIT PLASMA TORUS
What I figured out from discussion with Stoat is that the Antigraviton does not go backwards in time but is in front of forward time. Here is why, because GRAVITONS operate in 4D space they are FTL and the spin factors generate HFTL and therefore are not visible in our 3D space. Our entire scale of 3D space races around a plasma torus. Infront of this bubble we will find the faster ANTIGRAVITONS racing towards the Antimatter portion of our scale. The reverse will be true in that a pocket of GRAVITONS will be racing towards our forward time bubble. Most likely, we should find that all objects in orbit will because of the 4D TORUS overlay operate as an instantaneous structure creating pathways of continuous charged space that 3D mass races around. Tubes of force then extend at 4D rates of motion directly through everything prior to impacts of 3D objects.
Here is an example of tubes of force in an electric arc following the magnetic lines from Jupiter's auroral polar rings through IO's poles.
SOURCE OF PICTURES: www.enterprisemission.com/_articles/05-2...ryDayAfter-Part2.htm
This same principle most likely operates on large scales with for example graviton cascades from 4D space cascading in giant ring currents along vertical axis into the MATTER portion of PLASMA TORUS connecting with 4D SOURCE. Forward and reverse motion portions of this scale literally are balanced across vast distances of space from each other as they perpetually cycle higher scale energy.
The next big question in understanding scale motion mechanics is to figure out what higher motion scales might graphically look like in comparison to our scale of motion. I think that we have to incorporate multiple dimensionality in this explanation, even though each individual scale of motion most likely is three dimensional. However, in reference to our scale these higher state motions are invisible and represent a new set of dimensional qualities that operate outside of our 3D space. Therefore, we might have to annotate the 3D space with subsequent hyperdimensional qualities that overlay our space motion. I will do some research to see if there is any current logical dimensional system already in use that might help in describing these higher state motions. If anyone knows of any please post. Also, sub particle pairing especially group pairing might provide a possible diagram of how these larger scale motions are arranged. John W. Rickey
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16 years 9 months ago #20517
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by greg87</i>
<br />Hi John. I agree that life exists in principle throughout the universe. I'm not so sure about the Project Lotus, area 51/Roswell stuff however. There's a whole lot of paranoia out there in the desert and while I'm sure something is going on, I don't know what it is.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I was very intrigued by the Dan Burisch Material. I do think that what is really going on in the back ground is very advanced. If programs exist for self assembly for life itself across the Universe then such a program would pose a serious religious question as per creation and just who is in charge of such large scale programs.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Am I right in thinking gravitons exert a pushing force, something like air pressure or even wind?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Yes, I would agree Gravitons and Antigravitons create a pushing force. [Antigravitons: my definition would be that Gravitons interact with Matter and Antigravitons form when leaving paired sub particles of Antimatter completing the Graviton circuit]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is the effect of gravity a blocking of high speed gravitons, like a shadow effect? For the math to work, is it simply the mass of the blocker that absorbs (?) the gravitons? Or is it the magnetic field generated by the mass that does the blocking? Could an energy field cause the gravitons to curve and like an airfoil cause a lifting effect?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I think you are asking about Antigravity? Yes, only if gravitons carry a charge which I believe that they do. They carry a negative charge and are cuisins to electrons. Riding a wave by reversing the push of gravitons upwards towards a positive charge. You have reversed the flow of gravitons towards the center of Earth. John
<br />Hi John. I agree that life exists in principle throughout the universe. I'm not so sure about the Project Lotus, area 51/Roswell stuff however. There's a whole lot of paranoia out there in the desert and while I'm sure something is going on, I don't know what it is.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I was very intrigued by the Dan Burisch Material. I do think that what is really going on in the back ground is very advanced. If programs exist for self assembly for life itself across the Universe then such a program would pose a serious religious question as per creation and just who is in charge of such large scale programs.
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Am I right in thinking gravitons exert a pushing force, something like air pressure or even wind?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
Yes, I would agree Gravitons and Antigravitons create a pushing force. [Antigravitons: my definition would be that Gravitons interact with Matter and Antigravitons form when leaving paired sub particles of Antimatter completing the Graviton circuit]
<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">Is the effect of gravity a blocking of high speed gravitons, like a shadow effect? For the math to work, is it simply the mass of the blocker that absorbs (?) the gravitons? Or is it the magnetic field generated by the mass that does the blocking? Could an energy field cause the gravitons to curve and like an airfoil cause a lifting effect?<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
I think you are asking about Antigravity? Yes, only if gravitons carry a charge which I believe that they do. They carry a negative charge and are cuisins to electrons. Riding a wave by reversing the push of gravitons upwards towards a positive charge. You have reversed the flow of gravitons towards the center of Earth. John
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