Elysium

And what happens when we have a strange idea of time. Like other physicians tell us.

And I really thought time has to be made as well. So when time is locally here and not there. How can we apply formulas with a so easy notion of t. Jumps it suddenly in place? Is the applying quantified? Does it have a predecessor?

So I am honest if I say I don't understand you.

Gravitation we can meet as a wave. When we target a probing signal to a field a particle results and goes on. What happens with a gravitational field. What is a probing signal there and what is sorting out?

What is the smallest amount of gravitation that results in a kind of particle. Is it a particle? Is there information from gravitational lenses. Do we know enough of it?

I certainly first like to discuss what we see as a field. The duality of particle and field is still not solved. I accept particles but fields we have to discuss.

Ed van der Meulen

The duelity problem is generated by a misconception about the photon in my opinion. The single photon has an energy that is different than the photon bundle and it is the bundle that has wave properties while the single photon has particle properties. This fuzzyness is caused by the Planck Constant being used incorrectly.

Speed has units of L/T, whereas time has units of just T. If f is the speed contraction factor, then L is contracted by sqrt(f), and T is expanded by sqrt(f), implying that speed L/T is slowed by [sqrt(f)]^2 = f. -|Tom|-

This shows the root of the problem with SRT. If the ratio L/T which we call the velocity of light is constant, then if the variable T dilates (is multiplied by beta) then the variable L must dilate by the required assumption that the ratio L/T is constant. Hence L must dilate as well. But SRT says that L contracts when T dilates. This is obviously a contradiction with the premis that the ratio L/T is constant, so SRT is contradictory. Q.E.D. Hence SRT is wrong.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kc3mx</i>
<br />This shows the root of the problem with SRT. If the ratio L/T which we call the velocity of light is constant...<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">You are taking things out of context. Jim asked about how the speed of light changes in a gravitational potential field. See my first post dated March 7. My answer referred to how c changes, not how velocities of clocks or observers change. It has nothing to do with SR.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">SRT is contradictory. Q.E.D. Hence SRT is wrong.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Not on this account, it isn't. SR is wrong because the "speed of gravity" experiments contradict it. But it is and always was an internally consistent theory in which the meaning of the concepts "speed", "distance", and "time interval" are observer-dependent, which is very difficult for most people to conceptulaize and takes everyone some time to get used to. (I sympathize. I resisted for 25 years before finally being shown how SR really works. Study my "Twins Paradox" paper to see for yourself.) -|Tom|-

This was your proof. As I understand it, in both SR and GR the velocity of light is the same for all observers. So that velocity is always the same numerical measure. Hence the velocity can't change. What changes is the structure of space and time. So there can never be a change in velocity if you accept SR and GR. So you are rejecting GR, is my conclusion.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by kc3mx</i>
<br />What changes is the structure of space and time.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Nothing can change space because it is a dimension, not a physical entity. Gravity affects "spacetime", which is actually proper time multiplied by c to make it appear space-like.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">So there can never be a change in velocity if you accept SR and GR.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">Continue your study. What changes is proper time relative to coordinate time. That makes the elapsed time interval for a radar beam between two planets longer if it must pass near the Sun than if it doesn't. This can be thought of as a refraction effect in elysium.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote">So you are rejecting GR, is my conclusion.<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">GR always had multiple physical interpretations. I've participated in disproving one of those (the "geometric" interpretation) and in confirming and simplifying another (the "field" interpretation). As you become familiar with these, I'm sure you will agree.

The best place to get up to speed fast is the Meta Research Bulletin. It cites source material for the ideas expressed. See especially our article last summer titled "21st century gravity". -|Tom|-