Faces from the Chasmas

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<br /> The conspiracy theorist in me says that when they image it, IF it looks like art they won't release it. But if it helps to falsify the artificiality hypothesis, they will probably release it. Only time will tell. [Neil]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
There's another much more simple explanation: {The more I communicate with them, the more I think so} They're busy doing what they believe is the real reason why they're imaging Mars, and artworks from an ancient civilization just isn't part of it. I think they would like to be cooperative, but it's sort of like trying to get a Liberal to understand what Liz Cheney is saying. They don't get it. Or they don't want to.

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<br /><blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br /> The conspiracy theorist in me says that when they image it, IF it looks like art they won't release it. But if it helps to falsify the artificiality hypothesis, they will probably release it. Only time will tell. [Neil]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">
There's another much more simple explanation: {The more I communicate with them, the more I think so} They're busy doing what they believe is the real reason why they're imaging Mars, and artworks from an ancient civilization just isn't part of it. I think they would like to be cooperative, but it's sort of like trying to get a Liberal to understand what Liz Cheney is saying. They don't get it. Or they don't want to.

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I'm sure readers of this thread would be interested in your experiences in trying to get the Nefertiti face re-imaged in hi-res. What did you say? What did they answer? Who do you talk to? What's the phone number? How often did you try? Who is in charge?

I assume (just guessing) that the strategy you are using is to tell them that you want it re-imaged in order to falsify it. My reasoning for the above quoted statement was that since they quickly and often re-imaged other objects which were falsifiable, like Wil Faust's Mound, and the "tubes" and "domes," they would also gladly re-image faces that would appear as "a pile of rocks" upon re-imaging--like the Skullface. I could be wrong. [Neil]

Neil,

I agree. Such practical experience (successful or not) dealing with a mainstream organization sounds both interesting and useful.

<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by neilderosa</i>
<br />I assume (just guessing) that the strategy you are using is to tell them that you want it re-imaged in order to falsify it. [Neil]<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"></blockquote id="quote"></font id="quote">No, actually I told them the truth that it was a "Famous feature discovered in MOC images by JP Levasseur" and how it would contribute greatly to the debate on artificial features on Mars. I said a few other things, but I did not tell them which side of the debate I came down on.

Basically, I stand by what I said above: "They're busy doing what they believe is the real reason why they're imaging Mars, and artworks from an ancient civilization just isn't part of it."

One of the answers I got was: "Also keep in mind that there are well over 35,000 image suggestions in our database and we can only take a small percentage at any given time depending.There are many factors as to when a suggestion is acquired including season, weather conditions (haze, dust storms), etc."

I take that at face value. I don't buy into the conspiracy theory. I think they're honest scientists doing what they do, and our requests are a little kooky to them, but they do do some of it.

Let me give you an analogy. Imagine you walked into a symposium on higher mathematics. Say there were a 1000 mathematicians there and the subjects spanned the gamut from algebra to math analysis, number theory, linear algebra, differential equations, and all kinds of the highest levels of math disciplines. Now imagine your purpose was to get someone at their level to analyse some patterns you thought you saw in the millions of decimals in pi or e. Maybe, just maybe, you might find one or two there who had been down that path, and took you seriously, but the vast majority of them would be busy trying to solve things like the Goldbach conjecture or the Riemann hypothesis or Determining if the Euler-Mascheroni constant is irrational and all kinds of things in all the math disciplines.

Now in my analogy, would it really make sense to think they were "preventing the truth" from coming out about the patterns in pi? Wouldn't it make much more sense to think they were busy doing real math, and don't really have the time or inclination for finding patterns.

That's what I think is happening. I know the people who think there are artworks on Mars think there's more to it than that, but it really is the simplest explanation. Someone who doesn't see faces, when hearing that NASA wasn't interested in searching for faces might say, "Ya think?"

I noticed they published the image to the east of Nefertiti (see small yellow square ESP_12560_1660):



Here's a link to the image. I don't think it tells us much:

hirise-pds.lpl.arizona.edu/PDS/EXTRAS/RD...1660_RED.abrowse.jpg


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Here's the link to webpage for the browser image of the terrain just east of Nefertiti that Rich posted. hirise.lpl.arizona.edu/ESP_012560_1660

The only thing it tells me is what the terrain looks like. Just for fun I cropped a couple of the shiny mounds found in the area. It would be interesting to know what the material is that makes them shine, and if these are small craters or really mounds. I can't tell.

Here are three crops in RGB from Rich's image.







And one from a nearby image posted previously, for comparison.

New Properties of Prometheus
I apologize to those readers of this thread who think I'm beating a dead horse here, but in reviewing some of the past finds of high resolution faces, I noticed what seems to be good evidence of artificiality, and decided to pass it along. In looking at the Aureum Chaos terrain around the face and bust of the object I've named Prometheus, I noticed that there are at least 9 knobs or yardangs arranged in three rows, in which the object is the one in the upper left position. It is the only one that doesn't appear totally natural, in that all the rest share common features, but one appears altered. These can be seen in the grayscale images, 1, 2, and 3.

The knobs are bordered or surrounded by more level terrain that is distinguished by the seif-like dunes running through it. Prometheus also has these seif dunes surrounding it.

In the RGB crops, which are also close-ups, we can see some of these seif dunes, or parts of them, in different parts of the face. It seemed to me unlikely that if geological forces built up those areas like the knobs, that the dunes would remain undestubed in spots underneath. I got the sense that the flat terrain with the dunes was the <i>canvas</i>, and was covered with material cut away from the knob, from which Prometheus was sculpted. See if you agree. [Neil DeRosa]

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