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15 years 4 months ago #23000
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Replied by neilderosa on topic Reply from Neil DeRosa
I just upgraded my image processing software and tried some new techniques. A "depth of field" adjustment allows us to focus more on the area of interest, and a "midtones" adjustment allows us to brighten the male silhouette profile more without increasing the brightness of the female profile too much (which is in the sunlight). If anyone thinks these are illegitimate enhancements or that they create features that don't actually exist please let me know.
Incidentally page one of this thread has the MOC image of this feature, in the very first post. You can see that no "eye" feature is visible in the male feature. I wrote at the time that I thought an eye was just barely visible, but can now see that it is very vague and that may have been wishful thinking. Granting the premise or possibility that this is an art object, some might consider this <i>a priori </i>proof of artificiality. [Neil]
Incidentally page one of this thread has the MOC image of this feature, in the very first post. You can see that no "eye" feature is visible in the male feature. I wrote at the time that I thought an eye was just barely visible, but can now see that it is very vague and that may have been wishful thinking. Granting the premise or possibility that this is an art object, some might consider this <i>a priori </i>proof of artificiality. [Neil]
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15 years 4 months ago #23531
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For some reason, most anomaly hunters don't ever seem to admit when they are wrong. Several of the "possible artificial" objects of the early enthusiastic days of the MOC such as the tubes, and domes, and probably also the scullface, were falsified by higher resolution imaging, at least informally, since no peer reviewed paper was done on the subject to my knowledge. But here on the message board many of these objects were shown to be natural looking formations upon high resolution reexamination, by myself and others.
However, the best faces (shown here several times) and the wrecked ship (first shown by me in the T or E thread on June 27, 2006, and subsequently shown in this thread several times, including this page), have never been falsified and most are still waiting for high resolution imaging.
Anyway, here is another object from the early days that bites the dust, and is clearly falsified by the HiRISE high resolution images below. The "Arrow," first seen by me in Tom's Slide Show which can be found on this website. (See my Meta Research URLs thread for the discoverer and original image sent to Tom).
Here is ESP 011372 1730 "Arrow" falsified. The images, especially the close-up, should be self explanitory.
www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydo...act_html/default.htm
Here is the link to Tom's slide show, which can also be accessed by going to the Meta Research Home Page and clicking on "Artificial Structures" and then "slides" and then "Arrow." You'll notice that the shading on the lower resolution image (in the slide show) makes the arrow look three dimensional and almost like a two-tiered structure in the shape of two arrows, one layered on top of the other, each with a "hole" in it . But the hi-res image shows this all to be an illusion, a form of pattern recognition that turns out to be false when you see it up close and in good lighting. There are no "tiers" and no "holes" just blotches on a relatively flat patch of light and dark toned rock that roughly resemble an arrow. [Neil]
However, the best faces (shown here several times) and the wrecked ship (first shown by me in the T or E thread on June 27, 2006, and subsequently shown in this thread several times, including this page), have never been falsified and most are still waiting for high resolution imaging.
Anyway, here is another object from the early days that bites the dust, and is clearly falsified by the HiRISE high resolution images below. The "Arrow," first seen by me in Tom's Slide Show which can be found on this website. (See my Meta Research URLs thread for the discoverer and original image sent to Tom).
Here is ESP 011372 1730 "Arrow" falsified. The images, especially the close-up, should be self explanitory.
www.metaresearch.org/solar%20system/cydo...act_html/default.htm
Here is the link to Tom's slide show, which can also be accessed by going to the Meta Research Home Page and clicking on "Artificial Structures" and then "slides" and then "Arrow." You'll notice that the shading on the lower resolution image (in the slide show) makes the arrow look three dimensional and almost like a two-tiered structure in the shape of two arrows, one layered on top of the other, each with a "hole" in it . But the hi-res image shows this all to be an illusion, a form of pattern recognition that turns out to be false when you see it up close and in good lighting. There are no "tiers" and no "holes" just blotches on a relatively flat patch of light and dark toned rock that roughly resemble an arrow. [Neil]
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15 years 3 months ago #23016
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When scanning the 5 or 600 new images that were just published on the HiRISE website today, (Sept. 2), I came across this one. Here is another "face from the chasmas," apparently just above the rim of Juventae Chasma. It is obviously a natural formation and the face may be pareidolia, but if we accept that there is at least one genuine face on Mars then others are possible, and we have to consider the possibility that someone modified the natural terrain to make these. [Neil]
Also, for those who are thinking about the statistical probability that out of five or six hundred images at least one pareidolic image is likely to turn up, I should point out that I only actually <i>opened and searched</i> about ten images, those with "chasma" in the title. So we are back to the question of whether frequent "elaborate" pareidolia is possible. [9/3 edit]
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Also, for those who are thinking about the statistical probability that out of five or six hundred images at least one pareidolic image is likely to turn up, I should point out that I only actually <i>opened and searched</i> about ten images, those with "chasma" in the title. So we are back to the question of whether frequent "elaborate" pareidolia is possible. [9/3 edit]
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15 years 3 months ago #23017
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15 years 3 months ago #23018
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In the next image, I've reoriented Neil's image so that it is easiest to see the lay of the land, but not easy to see the faces. I have the highest elevation at the top of the picture.
What we see is a flat surface, and then a ridge dropping off into a canyon or ravine. There are three nested faces on the cliff face just below the ridge. They fill up the entire space allotted. Each of the faces is segregated from the others and from the ridge top by contrasting material. Noses on each nested face points upward toward the top of the ridge.
All three nested faces are profile images. The one on the left and the one on the right look distinctly like the Native American. The one in the middle is not well visualized and more vague than the other two.
The nested face on the far right is shown in more detail in the flashing key in my post above this one.
What we see is a flat surface, and then a ridge dropping off into a canyon or ravine. There are three nested faces on the cliff face just below the ridge. They fill up the entire space allotted. Each of the faces is segregated from the others and from the ridge top by contrasting material. Noses on each nested face points upward toward the top of the ridge.
All three nested faces are profile images. The one on the left and the one on the right look distinctly like the Native American. The one in the middle is not well visualized and more vague than the other two.
The nested face on the far right is shown in more detail in the flashing key in my post above this one.
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15 years 3 months ago #23019
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<blockquote id="quote"><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial, Helvetica" id="quote">quote:<hr height="1" noshade id="quote"><i>Originally posted by marsrocks</i>
<br />Interestingly detailed nested face.
(Did I cut your key right?)
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That's the face I had in mind. To paraphrase Tom, we are all just feeling our way here. [Neil]
<br />Interestingly detailed nested face.
(Did I cut your key right?)
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That's the face I had in mind. To paraphrase Tom, we are all just feeling our way here. [Neil]
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